Konica-Minolta 5D vs Canon EOS 5D

Discussion in 'Minolta' started by Darrell, Aug 17, 2005.

  1. Darrell

    Darrell Guest

    Why would Canon use the same model number? This presumes the Canon 5D
    exists.
     
    Darrell, Aug 17, 2005
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  2. Darrell

    Toa Guest

    Why would Canon use the same model number? This presumes the Canon 5D
    IF it exists (some significant doubt) it is doubtful they would grab the
    same model number as a direct competitor

    Toa
     
    Toa, Aug 17, 2005
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  3. Darrell

    Slack Guest

    Because by the time Canon is done with their 5D, people will be saying,
    "Minolta what - who?"
     
    Slack, Aug 17, 2005
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  4. Darrell

    Darrell Guest

    That would assume the market was hot for a $4000 body. The fastest selling
    camera at the store I am at right now is the S2 IS! In dSLRs it's the D50,
    XT and D70s. I have sent half my 20D stock back with problems (back focus,
    etc). The market will be strong for the KM 5D as it will sell for $100 less
    than the XT. The same price as the D50, and the new *ist DL. So the RebelXT
    is the most expensive entry level dSLR camera at the moment. Nobody really
    knows the price of the EOS 5D (if it exists)

    With 10% or less margins dealers will buy what sells, the market dictates
    volume sales. We sell 10 XT's for every 20D, 5 D50 for each D70s. We are
    sold out of EOS 1D mk.II, and 1Ds mk.II, we had both on the shelf.
     
    Darrell, Aug 17, 2005
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  5. Darrell

    Toa Guest

    etc). The market will be strong for the KM 5D as it will sell for $100
    I can't argue with that logic.

    Toa
     
    Toa, Aug 17, 2005
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  6. Darrell

    Slack Guest

    I think $4000, or even $3500 is too much.

    Now if Canon was to launch it at say $2650, drop the 20d to $999 and the
    xt @ $750, then we could kiss everyone but Nikon goodbye.

    But this is just my pie-in-the-sky fantasy.
     
    Slack, Aug 17, 2005
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  7. Darrell

    Mike Warren Guest

    Do you work for Canon? (I'm referring to the "we" in your post)

    Why is it important that other brands fail. I think competition is
    healthy. The more good cameras from all suppliers the better
    it is for all buyers.

    I have noticed very few people say they are unhappy with their
    choice of dSLR whichever brand.

    -Mike
     
    Mike Warren, Aug 17, 2005
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  8. Darrell

    Toa Guest

    Why is it important that other brands fail. I think competition is
    Yup. If it were left to Canon on their own (or even Canon vs Nikon) there
    would be very little incentive for them to invest heavily in product
    development.

    Toa
     
    Toa, Aug 17, 2005
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  9. Darrell

    Slack Guest

    I totally agree... you're reading too much into what I wrote.
    I haven't said anything ill about other brands, not would I.
     
    Slack, Aug 17, 2005
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  10. Darrell

    Stacey Guest

    Or for them to improve them at all..

    If fuji hadn't been in competition with Kodak in the film marketplace,
    neither would have done anything to improve their products as long as
    people kept buying them.

    What I don't understand is why some people feel like camera brands are like
    a football game and their team must CRUSH the other team? Ah, maybe it is
    something besides photography at work here?
     
    Stacey, Aug 17, 2005
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  11. Darrell

    Stacey Guest

    Slack wrote:


    So the below quote was what? I'm sure this wasn't meant in a condescending
    way..


    Because by the time Canon is done with their 5D, people will be saying,
    "Minolta what - who?"
     
    Stacey, Aug 17, 2005
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  12. Darrell

    burnsdavidj Guest

    I think this is just a bad coincidence. As another poster recently
    pointed out, there was a EOS 5 model a few years back to which there is
    no DSLR equivalent... the EOS 5 would fit nicely between their 10
    series and 1 series.

    Canon's somewhat confusing naming conventions do have a logic:
    1series - best available (EOS 1D mk II, mk IIs)
    10series - prosumer (10D, 20D)
    100series - consumer (300D, 350D)

    A 5 series bridges the gap from $2000 CAD to $8000 CAD. I doubt there's
    a need for a 50series to bridge the gap from consumer to prosumer
    though.

    As for Maxxum, there's a 9D and a 7D...next in logical progression is a
    5D.

    PS Think anyone will make the mistake in future of assuming the D30 is
    a nikon model based on vague references in charts down the line? :)
     
    burnsdavidj, Aug 17, 2005
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  13. Darrell

    SMS Guest

    This is true. What's happened in digital SLRs is not good for the
    market, with Nikon and Canon essentially establishing an oligopoly,
    controlling around 98% of the market, with the few other manufacturers
    fighting over the remaining 2%. The problem is that SLRs, especially
    digital SLRs, lend themselves to such oligopolies.
    Some people are at least able to honestly state issues with ANY product
    that they own, since no product is perfect. What I don't like to see is
    mindless bashing of other products, but simply stating the pros and cons
    of specific products is legitimate and valuable.
     
    SMS, Aug 17, 2005
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  14. Darrell

    SMS Guest

    The Nikon full frame models will be the D3 series, it's about the worst
    kept secret around.
     
    SMS, Aug 17, 2005
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  15. Ah, Tracy, consider yourself trolled.
     
    John McWilliams, Aug 18, 2005
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  16. Good analogy for some.

    How would you answer the same question of yourself?
     
    John McWilliams, Aug 18, 2005
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  17. Darrell

    Darrell Guest

    Then there would be a duopoly, which would actually drive prices up. It's
    competition that drives prices down. If somehow even Mitsubishi (Nikon) were
    to fold under that concept, then Canon would be granted a monopoly. The idea
    you suggested would be considered illegal in the USA, under the "Dumping
    Laws" and the USA Government could impose tarriffs, or could even ban the
    product outright. This is called anti-trust.

    A single maker market ends up being like the company store at a mining camp,
    or like the G.U.M. Store in the former Soviet Union.
     
    Darrell, Aug 18, 2005
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  18. Darrell

    Darrell Guest

    I doubt there will be a 24x36mm sensor in Nikon. The APS-C is doing pretty
    well.
     
    Darrell, Aug 18, 2005
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  19. Darrell

    Slack Guest

    Trust me, I know about the importance of market diversification and
    competition, I'm a Buyer for an Aerospace Co. and there's nothing I hate
    more, than to be tied to a sole source. This only guaranties you'll
    soon be bent over a barrel, skivvies around your ankles.

    But the above scenario would allow be to snap up a spare camera ;-P
    which was the point.

    Well, we'll see what materializes in the next few weeks.
     
    Slack, Aug 18, 2005
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  20. Darrell

    Alan Browne Guest


    It is odd, as Canon should see the Minolta modeling numbering pattern.

    OTOH, as the EOS "pro" numbering was always low (1, 3...) and the Maxxum
    pro numbers were always high (8, 9) this situation was a bit innevitable.

    Finally, I don't think the folks at Canon are much concerned with
    Minolta's numbering ... eg: "f&ck-em".

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Aug 18, 2005
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