Konica Minolta calls it a day

Discussion in 'Minolta' started by Siddhartha Jain, Jan 19, 2006.

  1. Something that is worrying not only you but the industry in general, and
    clearly motivated Fuji's latest press release at
    http://home.fujifilm.com/news/n060119_2.html

    "Silver halide photography, which is fundamental to photography, has
    advantages over digital in such areas as power of expression, long term
    storage capability, reasonable prices, easy handling and a highly
    established and convenient photo development and print infrastructure.

    We intend to continue our silver halide photography business and to
    further cultivate the culture of photography, and in so doing, continue
    to support our customers and retailers and all those who enjoy
    photography."

    It shouldn't stop your worries - apart from long term storage, I don't
    think any of the other benefits they claim for film are true or will
    continue to be true for much longer. :-(
     
    Kennedy McEwen, Jan 20, 2006
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  2. Siddhartha Jain

    SMS Guest

    Sarcasm doesn't come across well on Usenet.

    Last year Olympus recorded its first net loss ever, citing sluggish
    digital camera sales, and cut 30% of the camera division workforce.

    You can get a relative idea of how poorly the E500 is doing by comparing
    different D-SLR sales ranks on Amazon's Camera and Video section. I
    didn't do every combination of body and lens, the actual numbers are
    even worse for Pentax, Olympus, and Konica-Minolta, but you get the
    general idea.

    Model Ranking

    350D 35
    20D 104
    D50 126
    D70S 423
    7D 1824
    E-300 2289
    *istDL 2529
    E-500 3109
     
    SMS, Jan 20, 2006
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  3. Siddhartha Jain

    SMS Guest

    Sarcasm doesn't come across well on Usenet.

    Last year Olympus recorded its first net loss ever, citing sluggish
    digital camera sales, and cut 30% of the camera division workforce.

    You can get a relative idea of how poorly the E500 is doing by comparing
    different D-SLR sales ranks on Amazon's Camera and Video section. I
    didn't do every combination of body and lens, the actual numbers are
    even worse for Pentax, Olympus, and Konica-Minolta, but you get the
    general idea.

    Model Ranking

    350D 35
    20D 104
    D50 126
    D70S 423
    7D 1824
    E-300 2289
    *istDL 2529
    E-500 3109
     
    SMS, Jan 20, 2006
    #23
  4. Siddhartha Jain

    ASAAR Guest

    Sony can certainly compete with Canon and Nikon, but the evidence
    is that they are only prepared to do so for the largest market
    segment. The smallest (professional photographers) are accustomed
    to a level of support that Sony doesn't yet provide, at least for
    their photo gear. Sony used to have a very good in-house repair
    service but they eliminated that department about 2 years ago. Now
    they just provide the phone number of an independent authorized
    electronics repair service. It may be a different situation where
    their cameras are concerned, but even if it is, I doubt that pros
    receive better treatment. That could change but it'll take time.
    Canon and Nikon cameras have been used by pros for over half a
    century. With enlightened leadership Sony could close the gap
    fairly quickly but until I see signs of it I'll have doubts.
     
    ASAAR, Jan 20, 2006
    #24
  5. Good point but what everyone seems to be referring is that Sony once
    was a hallowed brand identified with top notch quality products,
    something that is no more the case. Its easier for Davids to take on
    Goliaths than for elephants to dance.

    - Siddhartha
     
    Siddhartha Jain, Jan 20, 2006
    #25
  6. Siddhartha Jain

    Scott W Guest

    Sometime around 1980 when IBM announced that they would be producing a
    personal computer there was much laugher and the term teaching an
    elephant to dance was often used. When IBM released there PC they had
    on hand demo software that showed an elephant dancing.

    In the next few years the Davids did not do at all well and Goliath
    capture just about all the market for PCs.

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Jan 20, 2006
    #26
  7. Siddhartha Jain

    SMS Guest

    Clyde wrote:

    Sony may be able to buy their way in to the amateur D-SLR market with
    Konica-Minolta. But so far, the digital camera companies that have fared
    the best are those that were originally camera companies that had a full
    line from point and shoot up to professional.

    Sony's other problem is that their image is no longer of an innovative
    company that creates new markets, as it was back in the days of the
    Walkman or the Betamax VCR. They are always playing catch-up these days.
     
    SMS, Jan 20, 2006
    #27
  8. Or did they? Then came along Apple, Intel and Microsoft and the pioneer
    of the PC industry, IBM, was left licking dust. Ok, I know that IBM
    made a huge comeback in the late 90s and continues to grow at a
    feverish pace but there are other goliaths in other industries who are
    having trouble surviving. Point is that its easier to become numero uno
    than to stay there.

    - Siddhartha
     
    Siddhartha Jain, Jan 20, 2006
    #28
  9. Siddhartha Jain

    techie Guest


    Somehow I would agree with this on an even more general basis.

    Well why else does so few in here talk about Kodak who are still so very
    innovative in regards of policies for R & D dept. in their own company but
    they rarely hold up on the consumer levels.

    I even heard 5 Mpixel Olympus was better than 11 Mpixel Kodak, and still
    Kodak has always been big time graphics and photo. Perhaps their better
    at/on paper (Excuse the pun)

    Sonys third problem would be outsourcing their tech support, loosing touch
    with the end user and not upholding the infamously supreme Japanese 5 year
    warranty for free on their items.
     
    techie, Jan 20, 2006
    #29
  10. Um, I don't believe IBM even *makes* PCs any more (they sold the last
    bit, the laptop business, to a Chinese company, which still puts the
    IBM name on them). They haven't been a dominant player in PCs in a
    decade or more.
     
    David Dyer-Bennet, Jan 20, 2006
    #30
  11. Siddhartha Jain

    Scott W Guest

    They lost their dominate position but the point I was making is that at
    the time people believe that IBM would not be able to compete in the
    market because they were a large company set in their ways. At the
    time apple was looking like the dominant player. In the first few
    years of the 80s IBM completely dominated the PC market.

    Basically what happened was a large company will lots of resources saw
    a market they wanted and took it. They did not hold on to if forever
    but pretty much everything changes with time.

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Jan 20, 2006
    #31
  12. Well Apple were already there. So were Intel as chip makers (since the
    early 70's), and indeed IBM used the 8088 in the first IBM PC. They also
    bought an operating system from Microsoft. Microsoft bought in QDOS (Quick
    Dirty Operating System) for $50k and sold it to IBM. IBM made a crucial
    error for company that relied on 'proprietariness', in that they left MS
    with the rights to market the OS elsewhere - so anyone who paid MS could
    have an IBM compatible OS (compare IBM's lawsuits against BIOS plagiarism -
    e.g. Ferranti).

    However IBM's disaster in the PC industry was the Micro-Channel bus.
    Technically very good, IBM would not [freely] licence it. Despite technical
    superiority the market rejected proprietary solutions and IBM abandoned the
    MC bus IIRC within ten years.
     
    R. Mark Clayton, Jan 20, 2006
    #32
  13. http://konicaminolta.com/releases/2006/0119_03_01.html

    I predicted this would happen when they shut down shop in Canada.
    Once Canada goes, so is the U.S. next to follow I said; and thus we
    have
    the latest sad news. I considered getting the KM A200, as for those
    who bought into it, or their DSLRs 7D&5D, you got the shaft.
     
    Mr.Bolshoyhuy, Jan 21, 2006
    #33
  14. Siddhartha Jain

    Stacey Guest


    And you know this because?

    If olympus is doomed, wonder why they keep developing new cameras and
    optics to use on them? KM stopped development a while ago and haven't
    released anything new in a LONG time.
     
    Stacey, Jan 21, 2006
    #34
  15. Siddhartha Jain

    SMS Guest

    Do you mean that these cameras suddenly will stop functioning, or that
    lenses and other accessories for them will no longer be available?

    Since Sony is continuing the Konica-Minolta lens mount and flash mount,
    it looks like the owners of these cameras will be fine.
     
    SMS, Jan 21, 2006
    #35
  16. Siddhartha Jain

    techie Guest

    Overall to darn sad.
    I loved my good old Minolta 7000 Dynax I
    that I never saw anywhere else but fro Japan.
     
    techie, Jan 21, 2006
    #36
  17. Siddhartha Jain

    SMS Guest

    The Kodak sensors, produced by Fill Factory at Tower Semiconductor in
    Israel, had their good points, but they weren't suitable for general use
    D-SLRs.

    It looks more and more like the winners in the digital camera business
    will be those companies that control their own destiny in terms of
    sensors. In that sense, Sony might do well with Konica-Minolta.
     
    SMS, Jan 21, 2006
    #37
  18. Siddhartha Jain

    techie Guest

    Yes indeed. Oh and I forgot to say...
    It will truly be fun to see Hitachi beat Sony at that game since they seem
    to be able to come out first with the new micro hard drive system too.

    Digital Cam corders with 30 - 80 GB built in hard disk. What a joy not
    having to change cards and tapes.
     
    techie, Jan 21, 2006
    #38
  19. Siddhartha Jain

    Stacey Guest

    Last year is the key word.
     
    Stacey, Jan 21, 2006
    #39
  20. Siddhartha Jain

    Tony Guest

    I'll buy Sony tvs and computer monitors until someone can proove to me
    that there is something both better and longer lasting on the market. I
    don't buy any other Sony products though - gotten burned by too much crap.
     
    Tony, Jan 21, 2006
    #40
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