Konica Minolta Maxxum 5D

Discussion in 'Minolta' started by Sandy Bloom, Ph.D., Jan 9, 2006.

  1. Having decided to forget the Oly E 500 due to noise issues, I wondered what
    you folks thought about the Maxxum 5D. Any thoughts/opinions would be
    appreciated.

    BTW, I heard older (non AF) Konica lenses will work on the D5, but that it
    is fussy.

    Thanks,
    Sandy
     
    Sandy Bloom, Ph.D., Jan 9, 2006
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    Jasen Guest

    5D is good, but 7D is better for the money. Lenses work, for all intents
    and purposes, fine. You just have to take into account the crop factor of
    the small sized frame of the CCD. 1.5x .
    Looked at the 5D myself but much preferred the extra controls the 7D has,
    plus the stronger not-so-much-plastic build. The 5D doesn't have the ability
    to add a protector to the LCD apart from those stick on plastic film ones
    which won't protect it if you bump it hard. Anti-shake is excellent and I
    use it all the time.
     
    Jasen, Jan 10, 2006
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  3. Image Stabilization is a big plus for the Konica. Looking for a second
    camera, I also weighed heavily towards the E500 but I opted for a Nikon D50
    when I saw how well it handled high ISO settings. The lack of noise and
    usability of the high ISO images is very, very good.
     
    Peter A. Stavrakoglou, Jan 10, 2006
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    Alan Browne Guest

    At lower ISO's I doubt the noise is that much different between the two
    for a given print.

    Get the 7D. Much better control wise, esp. if you spend any time in
    manual exposure modes.

    All Maxxum/Dynax (not Konica) lenses work on the 5D/7D. There are some
    limitations when the Maxxum 1X-3X macro lens is used (Can't use the A/S).

    http://www.aliasimages.com/Max7Drev.htm my review
    http://www.aliasimages.com/KM7D_AS_Test.htm an AS test

    Cheers,
    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 10, 2006
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  5. I LOVE my 5d! The image stabilization does more to improve sharpness
    than any theoretical differences between lens resolution.

    The difference between the 7d and the 5d falls to personal taste. The
    7d has more accessable controls for some functions but it's much
    bigger and heavier. That choice could go one way for some photogs and
    the other way for others. Personally, I found the 7d too big for my
    hands.

    The image quality with either is excellent. I've seen a report that
    the resolution of the 5d's standard kit lens is lower at the corners
    at large aperatures, but I haven't noticed any problem in use. Then
    again, I never shoot wide open.

    All Maxxum mount lenses will work, but the MD lenses have a different
    mount. I don't know if there's an adapter.

    My advice: Go to a store that carries the 5d and the 7d and try them
    out. But the one that fits you better. They're both excellent cameras.

    Philip
     
    Philip Procter, Jan 10, 2006
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    Tony Polson Guest


    The Maxxum 5D sensor noise is no better than the Olympus E-500, and
    the 5D only produces a 6.1 MP image where the E-500 produces 8 MP. If
    you are going to reject the E-500 solely because of noise issues,
    would it not make more sense to choose an alternative with less noise?

    The obvious choice would be the Canon EOS Digital Rebel XT, which
    offers 8 MP, the same as the E-500, with similar noise at ISO 400 and
    below but lower noise at higher ISOs. By the time you reach ISO 1600,
    the difference is significant.
     
    Tony Polson, Jan 10, 2006
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    Mike King Guest

    And all Maxxum lenses are AF or will only fit AF bodies, older Minolta MC,
    MD, etc. type lenses will not fit.

    --
    darkroommike
     
    Mike King, Jan 10, 2006
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Not quite:

    The Maxxum 135mm f/2.8 [T4.5] STF is manual focus only, but it is a
    Maxxum/Dynax lens and works on the 5D/7D.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 10, 2006
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  9. Sandy Bloom, Ph.D.

    Alan Browne Guest

    More Polson Hokum.

    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/CanonEOS350D/Samples/ISO/lumi-graph.gif
    Shows the 350 to be a bit noisier than the 20D

    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/konicaminolta7d/Samples/ISO/lumi-graph.gif
    Shows the 7D to be less noisy than the 20D.

    Ergo sum, the 7D is less noisy than both the 20D and the 350D, and so
    follows the 5D with the same sensor.

    Given that the 7D/5D have a larger physical sensor area (1.5x crop v.
    1.6x crop of the 20D and 350), and fewer pixels it is natural that they
    are less noisy.

    The only place where Polson got it right, is that the 7D/5D are noisier
    in the red and blue channels once you get up to ISO 1600 & 3200. Since
    Polson is one of those who cries out often about nobody shooting much
    above 800 in most cases, it is clear that he'll bring up the argument if
    it suits his purposes. Were you asking about the Oly's noise perormance
    in that area, he would avoid talking about ISO 1600.

    Regarding 8Mpix v. 6 Mpix, it is entirely meaningless for prints up to
    8x12" or even 10x15"

    Look at the bill detail (WARNING: 2.5MB file, view @100% zoom on
    screen): http://www.aliasimages.com/images/KM7D/ColBill_FD.U.jpg ISO 100
    and (again, large) @ ISO 1600:
    http://www.aliasimages.com/images/KM7D/ColBill_FD.1600.U.jpg of course
    there is more noise, but in the subject area it is hardly a concern.

    Cheers,
    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 10, 2006
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    Jasen Guest

    I agree with Phillip here. The two cameras are excellent and actually have
    virtually the same features. It is the layout, size and weight/build that
    are mainly different.
     
    Jasen, Jan 10, 2006
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    Jasen Guest

    When I was looking at my buying choices, I was trying out the 20D and the
    Minolta 7D in the shop at 3200 and 1600 iso, and the 7D was better,
    marginally.
     
    Jasen, Jan 10, 2006
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  12. maxsilverstar, Jan 11, 2006
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  13. Hi,
    I have a 7D and jsut love it, for I found in it, all the simplicity &
    cleverness of the user interface I had on my 600 si : a function, a button.
    Plus, I would not exchange the body integrated image stabilization for any
    extra pixels without stab.

    My neighbour asked the same question as you did. I had him try my 7D, and we
    went to a shop where we were given the opportunity to play with the Nikon
    D50&D70, Canon 350D, Pentax IsdD & KM 5D.

    My neighbour came to the conclusion that the 5D was a 7D but much lighter &
    smaller and went away with it.

    Since then he's been thanking me everyday, for he shot alot of interior
    portraits & things without flash, & found the pictures to be ok in terms of
    sharpness, natural color balancing, & was happily surprised to be able to
    shoot at 1/10th s handheld :)

    It works with all the lenses I thrown at it so far.

    Kind regards,
     
    Stéphane Guillard, Jan 11, 2006
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    ian lincoln Guest


    Originally there was a resolution/detail quibble levelled at the KM 7D. The
    minoltas own in camera sharpening and the minolta packaged raw processor
    sharpener were criticised too. It was recommended using a third party raw
    converter. I believe that the CCD is sourced from sony as was the nikons.
    In practical use most people are satisfied with the minolta results. The
    big plus was that the KM engineers obviously use cameras themselves. A
    quick study of all the external controls will tell you how the camera is
    setup without having to turn on the LCD.

    Also i haven't heard anyone bad mouthing KM on the firmware/glitch front or
    the quality control. This may be because of the lower number of cameras
    involved, fewer users means fewer people finding a combination of buttons or
    accessories that won't work together. Perhaps a regular of the KM forums
    would like to 'fess up' as to hard core users gripes.
     
    ian lincoln, Jan 12, 2006
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    Jer Guest


    Okay, I'll fess up... I've been a hardcore user of KM (and M) products
    practically all my adult life. Yes, I've tried other lines (traded with
    peers), and while I feel the system performance is on par, I've always
    felt most comfortable with my KM, in all likelihood my personal
    familiarity. How do I use it? Capturing candid images of people doing
    stupid stuff, often under challenging circumstances with little to no
    time to set up a shot. I shoot raw exclusively and I carry ten 4G cards
    when I begin each day, post with RSE. I have to have fast access to
    controls, which tosses most menus right out the window - my film chassis
    didn't have menus - which is good because I didn't have time for them
    back then either. I like the robust build quality, the firm grip in a
    large hand, and the elegant way it balances on a window mount. I've
    seen no hint of any glitch before nor after the firmware upgrade. I
    moved to digital because my processing costs are mine, extreme speed in
    reloading the image store (film v. card), and extreme time reduction to
    a production image. I do this for a PI that handles a cases for people
    that want to snoop on their wedded blissmates. While image perfection
    isn't necessary, subject recognition is - no, I'm not doing a rag
    layout, more a nag layout. (Sorry, inside joke) I like my 7D and it's
    low-noise, long lens performance. It makes me look good, and my
    subjects bad. Really bad. Don't want to bust a bubble, but no gripes here.
     
    Jer, Jan 13, 2006
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  16. I've taken some 15,000 pictures with my 7D in the last 14 months. Twice
    in that time, I've had the camera lock up requiring a cold reboot via
    battery removal and reinsertion. One of those times it garbled the shot
    being written to the Hitachi 4Gb Microdrive when it happened, but no other
    shots before or afterward were damaged.

    Coinkydinkally (or not) my Maxxum 9xi's would also do the lock-up thing
    requiring a battery lobotomy (that's fun to say!) about once a year or so.

    I also found out the hard way that the LCD protector can occasionally
    catch on a shirt button and pop off. Managed to find it the first time it
    happened, but the last time I didn't notice right away and decided it
    wasn't worth searching several dozen acres of airfield...

    But you can drop the 7D 30" to a hard tile floor without consequences (to
    the camera, at least) - go ahead, try it yourself! Not... ;^)

    Bob ^,,^
     
    Bob Harrington, Jan 13, 2006
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    Alan Browne Guest

    I always use Photoshop RAW (which also has its detractors). Yes the 7D
    sensor and the Nikon D70 are the same basic sensor. There may be some
    very minor fab variations.
    That is a result of the Maxxum 7 body which borrows heavilly from the
    Maxxum 9 and one of the 800 series Maxxum's. Despite that, K-M screwed
    up a few things as I point out in my review:
    http://www.aliasimages.com/Max7Drev.htm
    In there is a link to a 2.5MB file that should comfort anyone worried at
    all about the quality of the image.
    There was one s/w upgrade to it a few months after it came out. This
    fixed a slow speed USB issue and a couple other things. Changed the
    display layout a bit too. I have had it do some odd things a few times,
    like not turn on after a lens change, but taking the battery out and
    putting it in fixed that. Not a repeatable kind of glitch.
    I've never not been able to shoot with it.

    Cheers,
    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 13, 2006
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    Alan Browne Guest

    I've had a lockup (refusal to turn on after a lens change) on a few
    occasions. The battery flip fixed all.
    0 problems with the Maxxum 9 in 5 years.
    Eh, I'll pass on that one and post a link to your comments...

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 13, 2006
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    Jasen Guest

    There were only two issues to speak of with my old KM 7000i film camera.
    One was due to old age. The rubber grip deteriorated and needed replacing
    after 15 years and due to me going digital and not having used it for ages,
    the mirror and motor locked up and after a few helped resettings works
    freely again.... other than that, the camera still takes a great exposure.
     
    Jasen, Jan 13, 2006
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    Mike King Guest

    All Maxxum lenses are AF or (note the word or) fit only AF bodies. Older MF
    lenses will not work.

    --
    darkroommike
     
    Mike King, Jan 15, 2006
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