Konica Minolta withdraw from camera business

Discussion in 'Minolta' started by David J Taylor, Jan 19, 2006.

  1. David J Taylor

    Alan Browne Guest

    Thanks, but it's not _that_ bad. My gear will work for at least another
    10 years; Sony will put out a DSLR shortly (prob 10 Mpix) that uses my
    lenses and hopefully my flashes. I still have two Minolta film bodies
    that work just fine as well as the very good 7D.

    This will all inspire me more to use my Hasselblad. No batteries. Just
    great images.
    If they had been to market a year earlier, they would have done quite
    well, I believe. Konica f'd them up hard during the acquisition.
    I fear that Sony will do a poor job wrt to photographer ergonomics when
    they do the DSLR. One hopes that they would look at the Maxxum 7, 9 and
    7D for the "right way" to do an SLR.

    Sony was once a very high quality house but in the onslought of Chinese
    and Korean high quality electronics at a much lower price, Sony have
    "de-qualitied".

    Cheers,
    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 21, 2006
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  2. David J Taylor

    Alan Browne Guest

    You're the fool Polson.

    Minolta A/S works to over two stops. On all lenses (except the 1-3x
    macro and I believe the 135 STF both of which should be tripod shot in
    any case).

    Unlike Canon and Nikon's approach where you need to buy the specific IS
    and VR lenses. IS and VR is better by a stop. And of course quite
    costly to one who already has those focal lengths in his bag.

    Minolta's A/S is a wonderful compromise solution that works fine.

    I suspect that your vitriol regarding Minolta is really aimed elsewhere...
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 21, 2006
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  3. David J Taylor

    Alan Browne Guest

    Odd that my 7D shots on the web are a thousand times better than any
    photo you have put on the web, quality wise, composition wise, color
    wise, focus wise ...

    Of course, if you would ever put up your claimed Paris Match cover, you
    might get some respect.

    Not vastly. One stop. And a hell of a lot cheaper. The Canon and
    Nikon systems are great, no doubt. That does not make Minolta's AS
    *bad* by default.

    You're the one struggling, Polson, with credibility.

    Beats 2 in most cases. But I know what I'm talking about.
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 21, 2006
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  4. David J Taylor

    Alan Browne Guest

    Most of us have learned that Polson is a nasty asshole when he has an
    agenda. Usually he shuts up after enough people have told him where to
    head in.

    Polson used to claim that he shot 50 rolls of film per average *week*.
    No proof that he actually shot that pace or that anything competent came
    from it.

    Polson has claimed that he shot a cover photo for Paris Match (a major
    weekly glossy in France). No proof.

    Polson derides everyone.

    Polson has NEVER posted a competent photo. (He has posted some stunning
    mediocrities)
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 21, 2006
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  5. David J Taylor

    Jer Guest


    As an aside, if/when Sony produces ANY camera based on their newly
    acquired KM resource, if they dumb down the manual controls by shoving
    them into some twisted LCD-based menu system, I guarantee to give it a
    pass. Why? Because the KM external controls are the primary reasons I
    stayed with the KM line and the 7D in particular. There are other good
    choices in this class of machine, but the 7D was the only choice that
    could survive in my house. True enough, CCD-based A/S is a feature that
    sets KM apart from the herd, but the functional control design of the 7D
    also contributes to the value I get from KM's architectural differences.
    I recall the initial phases of my considerations for a digital system,
    and while KM's A/S was an interesting distinction, the plethora of
    non-menu controls tipped the bucket soon on. Never have I regretted my
    7D decision, including today, nor do I expect to for a number of years
    hence.
     
    Jer, Jan 21, 2006
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  6. David J Taylor

    ian lincoln Guest

    Take it from a seller,K M is not a well known brand to Joe public. Then
    take the fact that the canon has more megapixels = better quality (think
    novice buyer thinking here). Even a novice buyer will have heard of nikon.
    Before the practice of taping over the name any tv show or movie with an slr
    would probably have nikon on it. The james bond underwater camera was
    nikon. It is not careful researchers who are the majority buyers its the
    people who walk into jessops or dixons and ask the salesman who are the
    majority buyers. No jessops i ever worked in had an olympus E or a fuji
    pro slr in stock. Many of the dedicated minolta users just didn't wait.
    Most went to the nikon D70. K-M just didn't push their antishake hard
    enough. Other 6mp cameras were cheaper, or same price but more megapixels.
    The 7D lost out to the10D and 20D. The 5D to the nikon D50. People who
    bought the D50 were those that couldn't afford the 350D.
     
    ian lincoln, Jan 21, 2006
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  7. David J Taylor

    ian lincoln Guest

    I agree if they take the KM and remove the chunky but function design ethos
    and go for the sony sleek minimalist approach they will lose half or more of
    the remaining K-M devotees. That will leave merely the antishake equation.
    Being a Sony with an exclusive innovation they will foolishly over price it.
    If they match the nearest rival canon and nikon model prices and keep the
    antishake as the deciding factors for those who are undecided. But if they
    charge a premium for it they will lose.
     
    ian lincoln, Jan 21, 2006
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  8. I would suggest the crapper might be a good choice...
     
    Bob Harrington, Jan 22, 2006
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  9. David J Taylor

    Jan Böhme Guest

    Alan Browne skrev:
    Even more important would have been an aggressive pricing policy from
    the beginning. The price of the Dynax 7D was almost equal to that of
    the Canon 20D when it was introduced, at least here in Sweden. Now, it
    is around 65% of the price of a 20D, (although the price of the 20D
    itself is around 18% lower now than at the introduction) and less than
    5% over the price of a 350D. If they had started at that level, they
    would in all likelihood have been able to raise the price instead
    afterwards, when people realised how good they were.

    Getting them out a year earlier would have helped, too. But the AS
    would have been weaker as a selling point in late 2003 than in late
    2004. Image stabilisation is addictive; once you get accustomed to it,
    it is difficult to imagine a life without it. But I wonder if there
    were enough potential Minolta dSLR buyers who had had experience wiht
    image stabilisation at the end of 2003. The only P&S with IS that
    really had been out long enough then was the Panasonic FZ1. And,
    because everyone knew that Panasonic couldn't make still cameras, it
    took a while before Pannies took on.

    Jan Böhme
     
    Jan Böhme, Jan 22, 2006
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  10. David J Taylor

    Jer Guest


    The "chunky" word was once used by a peer, which my largeish hands
    promptly translated to "just right". Yes, the 7D is a bit larger and a
    bit heavier than it's closest competition, but I'm not walking around
    with it hanging from a strap either. It comfortably naps in a padded
    duffle until it wakes. If I have to thumb through a menu for ex. comp,
    I'll likely lose the shot. Funny story: When we're tag-teaming a
    subject, we use headset VOX radios for communications, and hearing
    someone whisper expletives while hunting for a control instead of
    hunting for the subject just makes me smile quietly to myself.
     
    Jer, Jan 22, 2006
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  11. "Long term though, you'll be the Amiga enthusiast in a world of
    Microsoft and Apple. If you like Amigas, then you're set. :) "

    I've always thought the C64 was the best personal computer ever made.
    If your TRS-80 still works fine, use it.

    If KM cameras will be _much_ cheaper than Nikon or Canon,
    and you get more for less, buy them.
    Digital cameras last at most 5 years anyway.
     
    Mr.Bolshoyhuy, Jan 22, 2006
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