Kudos to Pentax for NOT following the herd

Discussion in 'Pentax' started by RichA, Jun 26, 2008.

  1. RichA

    RichA Guest

    In the earlier post about image manipulation of raw files by the
    camera mfgs, I mentioned a softening of detail seen relative to other,
    earlier models. While this is the case (IMO) with the K20D compared
    to the K10D, take a look at the high ISO files and the detail retained
    by the Pentax here. It has been left up to the user to decide about
    how to implement noise reduction in post-processing.

    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk20d/page18.asp
     
    RichA, Jun 26, 2008
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  2. RichA

    RichA Guest

    On Jun 25, 9:57 pm, RichA <> wrote:
    > In the earlier post about image manipulation of raw files by the
    > camera mfgs, I mentioned a softening of detail seen relative to other,
    > earlier models.  While this is the case (IMO) with the K20D compared
    > to the K10D, take a look at the high ISO files and the detail retained
    > by the Pentax here.  It has been left up to the user to decide about
    > how to implement noise reduction in post-processing.
    >
    > http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk20d/page18.asp


    Addendum; I see DPreview is still reviewing JPEGs, I thought the
    images were raw, my mistake. I'm still encouraged by the lack of in-
    camera manipulation, but the real issue is what is being done to raw
    files in-camera by the mfgs to appeal to a new market that doesn't
    like to do post-processing.
     
    RichA, Jun 26, 2008
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  3. RichA <> wrote:
    > On Jun 25, 9:57?pm, RichA <> wrote:
    >> In the earlier post about image manipulation of raw files by the
    >> camera mfgs, I mentioned a softening of detail seen relative to other,
    >> earlier models. ?While this is the case (IMO) with the K20D compared
    >> to the K10D, take a look at the high ISO files and the detail retained
    >> by the Pentax here. ?It has been left up to the user to decide about
    >> how to implement noise reduction in post-processing.
    >>
    >> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk20d/page18.asp


    > Addendum; I see DPreview is still reviewing JPEGs, I thought the
    > images were raw, my mistake. I'm still encouraged by the lack of in-
    > camera manipulation, but the real issue is what is being done to raw
    > files in-camera by the mfgs to appeal to a new market that doesn't
    > like to do post-processing.


    That must be a very new market, these folk who shoot in RAW and don't
    like to do post-processing!

    I'm surprised there's enough of them for it to be worth manufacturers
    trying to appeal to them :)

    --
    Chris Malcolm DoD #205
    IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
    [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
     
    Chris Malcolm, Jun 26, 2008
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  4. RichA

    Roger Moss Guest

    "Chris Malcolm" <> wrote in message
    news:...
    > RichA <> wrote:
    >> On Jun 25, 9:57?pm, RichA <> wrote:
    >>> In the earlier post about image manipulation of raw files by the
    >>> camera mfgs, I mentioned a softening of detail seen relative to other,
    >>> earlier models. ?While this is the case (IMO) with the K20D compared
    >>> to the K10D, take a look at the high ISO files and the detail retained
    >>> by the Pentax here. ?It has been left up to the user to decide about
    >>> how to implement noise reduction in post-processing.
    >>>
    >>> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk20d/page18.asp

    >
    >> Addendum; I see DPreview is still reviewing JPEGs, I thought the
    >> images were raw, my mistake. I'm still encouraged by the lack of in-
    >> camera manipulation, but the real issue is what is being done to raw
    >> files in-camera by the mfgs to appeal to a new market that doesn't
    >> like to do post-processing.

    >
    > That must be a very new market, these folk who shoot in RAW and don't
    > like to do post-processing!
    >
    > I'm surprised there's enough of them for it to be worth manufacturers
    > trying to appeal to them :)
    >
    > --
    > Chris Malcolm DoD #205
    > IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
    > [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]
    >
    >


    I think I know what he means:

    If a system is already intelligent enough to produce a really quite
    decent-looking JPG then the same image analysis could equally be applied
    (non-destructively, of course) to give Lightroom, etc. a head start when
    opening a RAW file.

    Every little helps...

    RM
     
    Roger Moss, Jun 26, 2008
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  5. RichA

    RichA Guest

    On Jun 26, 3:24 am, Chris Malcolm <> wrote:
    > RichA <> wrote:
    > > On Jun 25, 9:57?pm, RichA <> wrote:
    > >> In the earlier post about image manipulation of raw files by the
    > >> camera mfgs, I mentioned a softening of detail seen relative to other,
    > >> earlier models. ?While this is the case (IMO) with the K20D compared
    > >> to the K10D, take a look at the high ISO files and the detail retained
    > >> by the Pentax here. ?It has been left up to the user to decide about
    > >> how to implement noise reduction in post-processing.

    >
    > >>http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk20d/page18.asp

    > > Addendum; I see DPreview is still reviewing JPEGs, I thought the
    > > images were raw, my mistake. I'm still encouraged by the lack of in-
    > > camera manipulation, but the real issue is what is being done to raw
    > > files in-camera by the mfgs to appeal to a new market that doesn't
    > > like to do post-processing.

    >
    > That must be a very new market, these folk who shoot in RAW and don't
    > like to do post-processing!
    >
    > I'm surprised there's enough of them for it to be worth manufacturers
    > trying to appeal to them :)


    I think raw has made an impact on more people, since new P&S sometimes
    have it now.
     
    RichA, Jun 26, 2008
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  6. Roger Moss wrote:
    >
    > "Chris Malcolm" <> wrote in message
    > news:...
    >> RichA <> wrote:
    >>> On Jun 25, 9:57?pm, RichA <> wrote:
    >>>> In the earlier post about image manipulation of raw files by the
    >>>> camera mfgs, I mentioned a softening of detail seen relative to other,
    >>>> earlier models. ?While this is the case (IMO) with the K20D compared
    >>>> to the K10D, take a look at the high ISO files and the detail retained
    >>>> by the Pentax here. ?It has been left up to the user to decide about
    >>>> how to implement noise reduction in post-processing.
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/pentaxk20d/page18.asp

    >>
    >>> Addendum; I see DPreview is still reviewing JPEGs, I thought the
    >>> images were raw, my mistake. I'm still encouraged by the lack of in-
    >>> camera manipulation, but the real issue is what is being done to raw
    >>> files in-camera by the mfgs to appeal to a new market that doesn't
    >>> like to do post-processing.

    >>
    >> That must be a very new market, these folk who shoot in RAW and don't
    >> like to do post-processing!
    >>
    >> I'm surprised there's enough of them for it to be worth manufacturers
    >> trying to appeal to them :)

    >
    > I think I know what he means:
    >
    > If a system is already intelligent enough to produce a really quite
    > decent-looking JPG then the same image analysis could equally be applied
    > (non-destructively, of course) to give Lightroom, etc. a head start when
    > opening a RAW file.
    >
    > Every little helps...


    It's possible right now to have LR open your RAW files and emulate, or
    improve on, what the camera might do in its processing to JPEGs. I
    expect to see more and more presets and algorithms to achieve this- not
    a bad thing, but not so great, either.

    --
    john mcwilliams
     
    John McWilliams, Jun 27, 2008
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