Lack of Pentax posts

Discussion in 'Pentax' started by Chock, Jul 11, 2005.

  1. Chock

    Chock Guest

    Hi, I'm an occasional lurker in this group and have a couple of Pentax
    lenses so am thinking of getting a Pentax digital body. There seems to be
    plenty of posts of opinions on Canon and Minolta SLRs but very few on
    Pentax. Is there a particular reason why?

    - Chock
     
    Chock, Jul 11, 2005
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  2. Chock

    Nikonf4 Guest

    Oh there is an easy answer. We are all gear junkies and we would rather piss
    on about what lenses we CAN buy for our various cameras bodies. Of course we
    never actually buy them We just love to talk about the latest Nikkor VR
    400mm f1.8 and how are Canon going to beat that .... etc ... and we
    generally larf at Pentax users coz Pentax will never make a 400mm 1.8.

    And when we are finished pointing out the inadequacies (and small penis
    size) of our competition we go home in triumph and play with our EOS 1000n
    and its 35-70 and dream of what we COULD buy if only we had the money.

    Captain Picard - "Engage. Wank factor seven".
     
    Nikonf4, Jul 11, 2005
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  3. Chock

    AJS Guest

    Too busy taking pics? (Who loves the IST DS)



    AJS
     
    AJS, Jul 11, 2005
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    Justin Thyme Guest

    i dont see much talk about minoltas - most of the talk is Canon & Nikon.
    These 2 brands represent the bulk of sales - especially Canon. I don't think
    this is any reflection on the quality of C & N gear, certainly Pentax &
    Minolta are just as good if not better.
    C & N (especially Canon) tend to also be owned by gear-heads, who feel the
    need to always buy the latest equipment the moment it's released. Minolta &
    Pentax I think tend to be owned by the more conservative purchasers. There
    are heaps of P & M users out there, certainly more than what sales figures
    would indicate. It seems that P & M users keep their equipment for longer
    than C & N users. I think this is backed up by a casual glance at what is
    available on Ebay - most of the P & M cameras are quite old models, while
    the C & N's are generally fairly recent.
    Or, perhaps the reason you see less Pentax/Minolta talk, is that they
    actually get it right when they release a new model, so there is no need for
    the owners to buy the newest and latest model.
    I personally feel the Minolta and Pentax offerings are far superior to the C
    & N offerings. Have you held an *istDS and then held a 300D? There is no
    comparison. The 300D feels like a cheap lump of plastic that will fall apart
    any second, while the DS feels like a good solid piece of engineering.
    Nothing wrong with the photos either takes, but I'll bet the DS will still
    be going strong long after the 300D has fallen apart. The DS stacks up very
    nicely against the D70, but is about $500 cheaper. The KM-7D is another
    finely engineered piece of gear. I managed to have a little play with one
    today, and it is very nice, although personally i prefer the smaller size of
    the Pentax.
    If and when I take the plunge into a DSLR, it'll be to an istD or an istDS
    (or if something better is out by the time I make the change, it'll be to
    that) - in the meantime I have some perfectly good Pentax film gear that
    does the job just nicely. I am in no hurry to migrate to digital, and even
    less hurry to take a backward step into Canon gear.
     
    Justin Thyme, Jul 11, 2005
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  5. I was going to say "pretend I know nothing about pentax or minolta", but
    as I don't know anything about them then there's no need to pretend.

    I am, however, interested in learning more from the learned amongst us.

    Do 'old' pentax lenses fit the dslrs? likewise for Minolta? What
    mounts? what should one look for in such lenses? Are they commonly
    available (ebay, etc)?

    I'll arrange to take one for a spin in a few weeks, but would be
    interested in more info.

    Although attached to my N F90x, I have no such attachment to dslr brands.
     
    Andrew Hennell, Jul 11, 2005
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  6. Chock

    k Guest

    |
    | Oh there is an easy answer. We are all gear junkies and we would rather
    piss
    | on about what lenses we CAN buy for our various cameras bodies. Of course
    we
    | never actually buy them We just love to talk about the latest Nikkor VR
    | 400mm f1.8 and how are Canon going to beat that .... etc ... and we
    | generally larf at Pentax users coz Pentax will never make a 400mm 1.8.
    |
    | And when we are finished pointing out the inadequacies (and small penis
    | size) of our competition we go home in triumph and play with our EOS 1000n
    | and its 35-70 and dream of what we COULD buy if only we had the money.


    some of the pentax lens pro gear:

    85mm f1.4,
    200mm f2.8,
    300mm f4,
    300mm f2.8,
    400mm f5.6,
    400mm f2.8,
    80-200 f2.8,
    250-600 f5.6 (list snipped from another post)

    ...take the Canon pro price, add the Nikon pro price and you'll be a tad
    short
    on the $$ required for the pentax's


    which was why I went Canon years ago. I had a pentax and wanted a 'system'
    camera, the nikons were too fiddly and I broke them too easily, the canons
    were robust and the pentax LX were the best, but the price tag!! I swapped
    over completely to canon and have had to console myself with a bag full of
    F1N's ever since :-(


    however..

    After playing with a few EOS cams I decided if i'd ever go AF it'd be pentax
    all the way - preferably the MZ-S. haven't got one of those yet but a ZI-P
    and a couple of MZ-5N's have crept into the house :)

    k
     
    k, Jul 11, 2005
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  7. Chock

    Book Guest

    | I was going to say "pretend I know nothing about pentax or minolta", but
    | as I don't know anything about them then there's no need to pretend.
    |
    | I am, however, interested in learning more from the learned amongst us.
    |
    | Do 'old' pentax lenses fit the dslrs? likewise for Minolta? What
    | mounts? what should one look for in such lenses? Are they commonly
    | available (ebay, etc)?

    The Pentax *ist D and DS will take basically any K mount lens
    made(production of this mount started in 1975), as well as M42 screw mount
    lenses (with an adapter). If the aperture ring has an A position, the full
    range of functions is available (except autofocus for manual focus lenses).
    M lenses (without A position) use stopped down metering, available by
    pressing the AE-L button adjacent to the shutter button. The old pentax 50mm
    A 1.7 & 1.4 manual focus lenses are still highly sought after as they are
    still some of the best glass out there- but they are only two of some very
    nice lenses available.

    The range of pentax lenses on Ebay are not at the level of C&N gear on
    there- most likely due to the huge market share these guys have. Any decent
    lenses that appear have some pretty spirited bidding going on...

    A good page about the pentax K mount and some of its permutations is here:
    http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/

    Not sure about the numbers, but I suspect that quite a few pentax DSLR
    owners had a collection of pentax glass at home from their film cameras and
    buying a digital body was the obvious way to go. Me, I bought my DS from
    research on the net, and just going and trying one for size at a camera
    shop- it just felt "right" in my hand. I haven't regretted my purchase one
    bit...

    A couple of old lenses on my *ist DS:

    Pentax SMC-A 50mm f2 (produced between 1985-1998):
    http://www.pbase.com/bookster/smc_a_50
    Pentax SMC-M 40mm f2.8 "pancake" lens (produced between 1976-1984)
    http://www.pbase.com/bookster/pancake

    Each lens cost me about $50. I'd love to be able to be a gear freak like
    many people on here- and good on them- but I'm realistic about my budget,
    and happy with the results my modest lens collection(the two oldies, and my
    two zooms) gives me. If I had $$$ I'd be able to buy pentax lenses that were
    just as good as the stuff that the C&N owners love to drool over- but my
    wife may not talk to me for a while...

    There's lots more info out there- the pentax DSLR forum at dpreview.com is a
    good place to start. There are plenty of Australian pentax owners over
    there...

    Cheers
    Sean

    http://www.pbase.com/bookster
     
    Book, Jul 11, 2005
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  8. Chock

    Justin Thyme Guest

    Yes - all K mount lenses work and thread mount lenses work with an adapter.
    Older lenses that lack the "A" setting are a little clumsy in operation, but
    they still work. So if you get hold of an SMC 50/1.4 (widely regarded as the
    best standard lens ever made), you can take advantage of it.
    Any minolta AF lens will work with the minolta DSLRs. Sorry I'm not familiar
    enough with minolta gear to give you the name of the mount. One interesting
    quirk I found out - Minoltas are currently bundled with a 17-35 lens. Unlike
    the rest of the DSLR's on the market, this bundled lens is also film
    compatible. So pick up a Dynax 7D, grab a Dynax 5 or 7 film camera, and you
    will have an expensive super-wide lens.
    Pentax lenses come up pretty regularly on Ebay. Mostly they are Sigma lenses
    with Pentax mount. Most of these aren't too bad. Genuine Pentax lenses are
    rarer, but significantly better. Lenses with the "A" setting work smoother.
     
    Justin Thyme, Jul 11, 2005
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    Anyone want to buy a 1968 Spotmatic ?

    DS
     
    David Springthorpe, Jul 12, 2005
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    Phred Guest

    Damn! Caught out by the swings and roundabouts! :-(

    Coming back from the USA in 1977, I decided to buy a second Pentax
    body and discovered the bastards had changed from the old screw mount
    to a bayonet (and this after many years of them arguing in the photo
    press that the screw mount was superior to bayonets in principle).

    I was so disgusted that my existing collection of lenses and
    accessories would not work satisfactorily (if at all) with the new
    model, I decided to dump Pentax altogether and walked out with an
    Olympus OM2 and some basic gear for it.

    Later I added an OM4 (had a bit of an argument trying to buy it too --
    the shopkeeper in HK kept telling me it was "very sophisticated" and
    not really suitable for an amateur). [He may have had a point, it has
    given me some heartache with electronic(?) problems and, in fact, I
    haven't used it for several years. But the OM2 is still going fine.]

    Enter the digital age and, AFAIK, Olympus haven't produced a DSLR that
    can use their old lenses, etc., nor does it seem likely they will(?).

    So, caught again! Beginning to look like I should have stayed with
    Pentax, in spite of needing a bunch of new gear to suit at the time!

    Mind you, I have to say I've been very happy with Olympus. Beautiful
    stuff to use. I'm just very pissed off that they aren't offering a
    decent upgrade path like other brands, for those of us with more than
    a trivial investment in what is fast becoming legacy gear.

    Cheers, Phred.
     
    Phred, Jul 12, 2005
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  11. Chock

    Phred Guest

    Mine's a 1970 model. :)


    Cheers, Phred.
     
    Phred, Jul 12, 2005
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    ww Guest

    i think there is an adaptor that allows you to use the om mount lenses on
    olympus e1 and e300 cameras
    check here
    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/forum.asp?forum=1022

    i am sure if you ask someone will tell you


     
    ww, Jul 12, 2005
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  13. Chock

    steve Guest

    Oddly enough, I picked up one of these in pretty good condition attached
    to a fairly rough (and broken) body on the weekend for $25. I really
    should have tested the camera a little before I handed over the money.
    I probably could have beat him down a little more. At the time I was
    thinking "stay calm, look bored.." :-D

    Steve
     
    steve, Jul 13, 2005
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  14. Chock

    sir_bazz Guest

    You forgot the Pentax-FA 600mm f4 in that list :)

    bazz.
     
    sir_bazz, Jul 13, 2005
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    Justin Thyme Guest

    Some people have all the luck. I spotted a K Mount Pentax 50/1.4 in a pawn
    brokers for $10 a while back. Got my hopes up high, but discovered the
    aperture ring was defective, with the aperture always stuck at it's smallest
    setting. The little lever the camera uses to open up the aperture still
    worked however, so i thought i might be able to fix it, but on a closer look
    I noticed a crack in one of the internal elements. Darnit.
     
    Justin Thyme, Jul 13, 2005
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  16. Chock

    steve Guest

    Bugger :-(

    I also picked up a Tamron 200-400 EF (Canon) lens the other day. Not
    the worlds best performing lens by any means, but with a constant f/5.6
    aperture it was a reasonable buy for $60.

    I love bargains :)

    Steve
     
    steve, Jul 14, 2005
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    Pete D Guest

    Me to, waiting for a 35-70 macro that I paid US$24.00 for, paid US$6 for a
    50mm F2.0 Pentax, great fun with my Ds.
     
    Pete D, Jul 14, 2005
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    Steve Davies Guest

    ___Me to, waiting for a 35-70 macro that I paid US$24.00 for, paid US$6 for a
    ___50mm F2.0 Pentax, great fun with my Ds.


    Just picked up a SMC Pentax 50mm 1.7.

    Work a treat with the *istDS.

    Great when hiking.




    Steve
     
    Steve Davies, Jul 14, 2005
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    Pete D Guest

    Is that a "A" or "M"? I got a 28mm F2.8 Tamron for US$20 also quite good.
     
    Pete D, Jul 14, 2005
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    ozi Guest

    nice to read a post from someone with similiar thoughts as myself,
    I recently became the proud owner of a mint pentax K1000 with
    pentax glass, the quality of the shots (on slide) is superb!!!!! blows
    my two EOS's out of the water!
     
    ozi, Jul 16, 2005
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