Larger sensor in compact camera

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by John Fryatt, Apr 28, 2006.

  1. John Fryatt

    John Fryatt Guest

    I'm sure I've seen this discussed before, but I can't find it now....

    Suppose you wanted a fairly compact, neat kind of camera, for use at
    times when your SLR was too big, heavy, and noticeable. Said camera
    would still be required to produce good quailty and be controllable, so
    not a simple p&s. Something like a Voigtlander Bessa, Konica HExar,
    Ricoh GR1, from the film world.
    What would you choose? What choices are there?

    I know it's more complex than this, but a simple rule-of-thumb seems to
    say that, for a given sensor size, as resolution is increased, noise
    increases as well. So, to get a decent level of resolution without too
    much noise the sensor needs to be of a reasonable size. However, nearly
    all the compact digital cameras I've looked at use very small sensors.
    Taking the Canon range as an example, the A -series and Ixus models have
    small sensors. Ok, they are p&s cameras and very small (esp. the Ixus).
    However, as you move up the range you might expect better quality, say
    from the G6. But.. that uses a very small sensor as well.
    So, what digital cameras are the out there that use something like a 1"
    sensor, or 4/3 maybe, or even and APS-size sensor, and are still
    reasonably* small and neat.

    (* - Doesn't have to be shirt-pocket size, just something akin to a
    Hexar, Leica (but cheaper than that!), etc.)

    John
     
    John Fryatt, Apr 28, 2006
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    J. Clarke Guest

    Don't think you're going to find one--you can get Leica sized from Epson (if
    you can find one--it was a limited run)and Leica has a digital M coming,
    but you're going to pay Leica prices for either.

    Instead of agonizing over this, just pick up a good point-and-shoot and play
    with it--I think you'll be surprised at how well they do.
     
    J. Clarke, Apr 28, 2006
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    John Fryatt Guest

    Well, I'm not agonizing about it. Of course you have to go with what is
    available, and I do have an Ixus which does give pretty good results.
    I'm interested to know if there is much in the market slot I'm
    describing though. Seems like a gap there to me.

    John
     
    John Fryatt, Apr 28, 2006
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    Bob Williams Guest

    You might want to consider the Canon G6
    The G series has been around for 6 years ( not many models can make that
    claim)and is constantly improved based on feedback from the previous
    models. It has 7 MP and a 1/1.8" sensor and useful features galore.
    See http://www.steves-digicams.com/2004_reviews/g6_pg8.html for a review.
    For a few more MP and a bigger sensor, the Sony R-1 is quite
    impressive. But as expected, it is a bit bulkier.
    Bob Williams
     
    Bob Williams, Apr 28, 2006
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    John Fryatt Guest

    Ok. I did mention the G6 in my post. I'm sure it's a good camera, but a
    1/1.8" sensor is still quite small.

    The Sony R1 is not 'it' either. If I were going to carry around
    something that big I'd use my EOS 5D.

    Looks like my quest in in vain. ;-)
     
    John Fryatt, Apr 28, 2006
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  6. Put a 35/2.0 (or similar prime) on either your Nikon D50 or Canon 350D, and
    you'll be as inconspicuous as any of the above. DSLRs and SLRs are only
    clunky because we put clunky zooms on them.
    The rule of thumb (that is, that sensor size determines the amount of
    statistical noise) tells you the upper limit on performance. Any particular
    camera can only be worse than that.

    People say that economics is the dismal science, but it's nowhere near as
    dismal as optics.

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Apr 29, 2006
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    l e o Guest


    There is no doubt that the lens on the Olympus 8080 is pretty good but
    it seems that the 8080WZ (wide zoom) has high distortion in wide angle
    and average corner sharpness. It really can't beat Canon 10-22's
    quality! And of course, a small sensor always has noise to content with:
    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos20d/page26.asp
     
    l e o, Apr 29, 2006
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    Rich Guest

    Large sensor + zoom lens (of any range) = large camera.
     
    Rich, Apr 29, 2006
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    Bill Funk Guest

    Probably because the potential market isn't big enough to make it
    worthwhile.
    I'm one of those strange people who thinks that the major
    manufacturers (of any product) really do have people on staff who
    think about these things. :)
     
    Bill Funk, Apr 30, 2006
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    peter Guest

    Seems like they have stopped improving the G series. The G6 is more than 1.5
    year old, which is very long for digital cameras.

    If they can put a larger sensor in the next G series, that would be very
    nice.
     
    peter, Apr 30, 2006
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