Leica lens on Panasonic subcompact - any good?

Discussion in 'Panasonic Lumix' started by Sammy, Jun 12, 2007.

  1. Sammy

    Rob Morley Guest

    It shouldn't be, but it is commonly used. A dictionary has to reflect
    how language /is/ used, as well as how it /should/ be used (for some
    value of 'should'). Living languages evolve, most users are ignorant or
    dismissive of grammatical 'rules', sometimes changes enrich or add
    convenience but sometimes they reduce the precision of communication.
    In this case I think the use of 'their' as a third person singular
    pronoun is ugly, but as the English language lacks anything to use in
    its place (the old convention of using 'his' having fallen out of
    favour, "his or her (or its)" being cumbersome) it's an obvious
    convenience and will doubtless gain greater acceptance.
    Rob Morley, Jun 17, 2007
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    Alan Browne Guest

    *PLONK* -for being an abusive a-hole.
    Alan Browne, Jun 17, 2007
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  3. Sammy

    Alan Browne Guest

    You're not even involved in this thread but had to post this usual crap?

    Who cares if some spell it wrong?

    You had it right when you said "No need"
    Alan Browne, Jun 17, 2007
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    Frank ess Guest

    Just as I feel no need to apologize for wishing "lense" out of
    existence while understanding it in its use, nor for asserting
    "person - their" is not correct while acknowledging its widespread

    My point was: if Mr Pretentious Allen had a point beyond
    self-aggrandizement—which I don't doubt—dragging spelling quirks and
    their influence on reader attitude into the arena of Usenet
    discussions on the subject of—I forget what—leaves one vulnerable to
    the same slings and arrows.

    I regard use of "lense" and "person - their" as indicative of a
    certain character trait or ignorance. My history includes experience
    that validates that regard. With or without conscious consideration,
    it is an influence on my attitude toward the producer of the document.
    Really grates on my nerves, like "differnt than". Ick.

    Some more liberal or flexible folks may not respond like that. If you
    don't match my standards, so what? I don't match yours, so what? No
    big deal. Other than the occasional whinge about it, not much we can
    do, ne?

    Boy Allen started it. I hope this finishes it.

    Frank ess, Jun 17, 2007
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    Les Guest

    As the owner of a Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ5, I disagree. I have been
    taking photos for 65 years on this camera has produced some of the
    best photos I have ever taken. It's not perfect and I hate the zoom
    control - but I have never owned a perfect camera. The lens is superb
    and having experienced the lens stabilisation, I will never buy a
    camera without it from now on.

    Have a look at the reviews rather than believe everything in this
    thread. This is a good starting point:

    Les, Jun 18, 2007
  6. Child abuse by ignorant grammar teachers is one of the major
    unrecognised scandals of our time.
    Chris Malcolm, Jun 18, 2007
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    Bill Funk Guest

    Why not?
    I can use any of a number of current dictionaries, and find "lense" in
    Here's just one:


    United Nations chief nuclear weapons inspector
    Mohamed ElBaradei tried to cool tensions between
    the U.S. and Iran Thursday. He said it would be
    an act of sheer madness to attack Iran over its
    refusal to freeze their nuclear program.
    So it's a go.
    Bill Funk, Jun 18, 2007
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    Koekje Guest

    ["Followup-To:" header set to alt.photography.]
    Richard Polhill enlightened us with:
    Only if you think American is a perfectly acceptable mangling of
    English ;-)

    Koekje, Jun 18, 2007
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    dj_nme Guest

    This is all widely OT for the subject line, but here are my thoughts on
    the matter:

    The difference between using colour/color as a reason why both "lens" &
    "lense" are correct is what's known as a "false arguement".
    The spelling "colour" is used by every native English speaking country,
    except for the USA, which uses the spelling "color".
    No native English speaking country uses the spelling "lense", it may be
    an attempt to make "cute" or "chibi" variation of the English spelling.
    It just isn't correct in any of the dictionaries which I own.
    Webster, Oxford and Macquarie all disagree with "lense".

    Strangely enough, none of the other European langauages use the spelling
    "lense" either.
    So, it makes me really wonder where that weird spelling variation came from.

    Back to the subject of Leica "lens on Panasonic subcompact - any good?":

    The "Leica" lenses on the Panasonic compacts are manufactured in Japan
    (unless some-one has a Lumix with "Made in X" stamped on the bottom to
    prove me wrong) by Panasonic under licence from Leica.
    Assuming that you feel that you can trust Panasonic to stick closely to
    the designs licenced to them, then the lenses should be just as good as
    anything that could be produced in the Solms factory.
    dj_nme, Jun 19, 2007
  10. Whether the lens is truly made by Leica, made to Leica's specs by
    Panasonic, or simply a Panasonic lens with Leica's licensed name is
    something not worth spending too much concern on. Panasonic makes some
    very respectable optics and is well regarded in the professional
    broadcast market for their video cameras. At the other extreme, I own
    one of the most basic Panasonic camcorders with a Panasonic lens and the
    optical quality exceeds expectation. Finally, on a fixed lens camera
    with a small format lens, the difference between a Panasonic lens and a
    Leica lens is quite likely immeasurable. If you want more control over
    lens quality, move up to a true SLR and choose from a wide selection of
    lenses. If the Lumix style camera is what you are looking for, know that
    it has been well reviewed, buy, and enjoy.
    Arthur Seltzer, Jun 19, 2007
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    ajamess Guest

    Arguments on the internet. Lol.

    Sad to see this becomes less and less about photography every day. Go
    out and take some pictures.

    ajamess, Jun 19, 2007
  12. Interesting you chose to interject in a real discussion about.......

    John McWilliams, Jun 19, 2007
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    Rob Morley Guest

    01.iinet.net.au>, dj_nme
    Nouns that ends in 's' are plural, but the plural of 'lens' is 'lenses',
    so the singular of 'lenses' must be 'lense'. Obvious really. :)
    Rob Morley, Jun 19, 2007

  14. BBBB But you forgot the apostrophe! It's one "lens'e", several "lens'es'".
    John McWilliams, Jun 19, 2007
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    John Bean Guest

    I wonder why nobody calls a bus a "buse" then, or a boss a
    bosse, or a... ;-)
    John Bean, Jun 19, 2007
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    Guest Guest

    We must have standards.
    Guest, Jun 20, 2007
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    Rob Morley Guest

    Don't be silly - apostrophe's are only needed for some plurals.
    Rob Morley, Jun 20, 2007
  18. Sammy

    Rob Morley Guest

    Because 'bu' and 'bo' end in vowels, but 'len' ends with a consonant -
    didn't they teach you anything in school? :)
    Rob Morley, Jun 20, 2007
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    Rob Morley Guest

    That's the sort of rigid thinking that discourages originality and
    creativity in kids these days - they should be encouraged to communicate
    their ideas however it suits them (even if people can't figure out what
    they mean because the spelling and grammar are 'original' and
    Rob Morley, Jun 20, 2007
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    Roger Guest

    However, lense is a word that has a meaning already, thus:

    a. trans. To make lean; to macerate. b. intr. To become lean.

    a1000 in Napier OE. Glosses 32/1156 Macero..ic hlænsie. c1175 Lamb. Hom. 147
    Mon lense his fleis hwenne he him efe lutel to etene and lesse to drinke.
    c1200 Trin. Coll. Hom. 207 Mannes lichame ihalsne [Lamb. MS. lense] iwis,
    enne me hine pined mid hunger and mid urste.

    Hence lensing vbl. n., macerating.

    c1175 Lamb. Hom. 147 Ac he munege us an oer rode to berene et is inemned
    Carnis maceratio fleises lensing. c1200 Trin. Coll. Hom. 207 An oer
    [rode]..at is cleped Carnis maceracio at is lichames hlensing.
    Roger, Jun 20, 2007
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