Lens advice needed

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by M J Wyllie, May 26, 2010.

  1. M J Wyllie

    M J Wyllie Guest

    I have been taking pictures at my sons martial arts events for while now, & have an opportunity to
    partner up with the club & make some cash!

    If its a goer, I want to purchase 1 Canon L series lens for the bulk of the work ( I already have a
    70-200L f4 lens). I am looking at either the 24-70mm f 2.8L USM, or the 24-105mm f/4L IS USM.

    I'm after some opinions on which would be the better choice for indoor use? I currently use a
    28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM + a 580 EX-II Speedlite, & the 70-200L for longer stuff. I get pretty good
    results with these 2 lenses. Also I will be able to use my tripod, & set-up better for the posed
    shots, ie: a student receiving their next coloured belt at grading.

    Thanks for reading, any advice much apprec...
     
    M J Wyllie, May 26, 2010
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  2. Hi,
    i´d always go for the faster lens for indoor work, so i´ll vote for the
    24-70. A cheap, very good and often used indoor sports lens is the EF 85 1,8
    USM, but of course you don´t have the convenience of a zoom then. But the
    results are very good and the AF is fast.

    Regards,
    Markus
     
    Markus Fuenfrocken, May 26, 2010
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    Meh Guest

    Definitely wide-angle, AND wide aperture.

    Lighting is always an issue, and it's unlikely you'd need
    even a mid-telephoto for that kind of thing.

    The 24-70 sounds very good.
     
    Meh, May 26, 2010
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  4. M J Wyllie

    M J Wyllie Guest

    Thanks, thats what i'm thinking, the 24-70. I have read a cpl of comparison reviews of the 2 side by
    side, & they were suggesting that the IS on the 24-105 can sort of make up the difference!
     
    M J Wyllie, May 26, 2010
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  5. M J Wyllie

    M J Wyllie Guest

    Thanks for that, it's the IS vs non IS that got me thinking. Is the trade-off worth it? I definitely
    want the "fastest" glass/lens that I can afford, I don't really need all the extra zoom of the 24-105.
     
    M J Wyllie, May 26, 2010
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    Bruce Guest


    I would recommend the Canon EF 24-105mm f/4L IS USM provided that you
    can live with the smaller maximum aperture. It is a fine lens.

    Compared to the 24-70mm f/2.8 it has some distortion at the wide and
    tele ends (barrel and pincushion respectively) but you can easily
    correct that in Photoshop. But it is otherwise the equal of that lens
    for all practical purposes.

    I shoot weddings and used to use Canon gear (Nikon now). I used both
    those lenses with my 5D bodies but the 24-105mm f/4 got by far the
    most use. The extra reach (from 70-105mm) makes it very suitable for
    portraiture, something that I imagine will be very useful at your
    son's martial arts events when prizes/awards are given. 70mm is
    really too short for this - you end up being too close and the
    resulting perspective tends not to flatter the subjects.

    Other than the maximum aperture and the distortion, which is slight,
    and may not even bother you given the subjects you will be shooting,
    there would be no reason not to go for the 24-105mm.
     
    Bruce, May 26, 2010
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    Bruce Guest


    Don't talk yourself, or allow yourself to be talked, into buying the
    wrong lens. Please read my other reply in this discussion thread.
     
    Bruce, May 26, 2010
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    J. Clarke Guest

    Well, both are going to be sharper than what you have, which may or may
    not be an issue depending on how big you print and how much you crop.
    The 24-105 basically replicates functionality that you now have with
    greater sharpness and a little more speed at the long end so it doesn't
    make a lot of sense to go with that one unless you are sure that you'r
    being held back by its performance.

    The 2.8 will give you one more stop which can make a significant
    difference in action shots, image stabilization helps freeze camera
    movement, it doesn't help subject movement--for that you need a high
    shutter speed.

    You don't say what body you're using. If it's an APS-C you might want
    to look at the 17-55 2.8 IS. It doesn't say "L" on it and doesn't have
    the metal barrel, but the optical quality is on par with the Ls you are
    looking at, it has the wide aperture and image stabilization, and it
    fills a gap in your battery of lenses. The question is whether 55 is
    long enough for your long-end needs.
     
    J. Clarke, May 26, 2010
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  9. I'm with Bruce on this: My 24-105 lives on my 5D, and is a fabulous lens.
    At the same time, if you're able to get close enough, it's hard to beat
    the 50mm 1.4 for speed.
     
    John McWilliams, May 26, 2010
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  10. But you don't have extremely fast moving subjects at weddings. Martial
    arts is a completely different subject, and the extra stop on the 24-70
    can be very useful. He won't miss the extra reach at all for shooting
    awards, because he already has the 70-200 for that.

    So I'd advise the 24-70 F/2.8, because you need all the speed you can get
    at such events.
     
    Robert Spanjaard, May 26, 2010
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    Peter Guest


    If I had to get rid of all my lenses and could keep only one, it would be
    the 50mm f1.4. However I might upgrade my old one for autofocus.
     
    Peter, May 26, 2010
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    Peter Guest


    I do not have, or want a split image prism in my viewfinder. It is too
    distracting for me. YMMV.
     
    Peter, May 26, 2010
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  13. I´m neither with you nor with "Bruce" given the OPs requirements. Yes, the
    24-105 is a good lens (i own it), but f4 is too slow for indoor sports,
    especially if you own a crop cam and can´t push the ISO above 800 without
    getting massive noise.
    I also own the EF 50 1,4 USM and would NOT recommend this lens for Servo AF
    indoor with artifiicial light on any non professional Canon DSLR. While One
    Shot AF is fine with the 50 mm, i alway got a very high AF miss-ratios for
    indoor Servo AF on my 20D and now on the 5D. I don´t know it´s better with
    an 1D series AF, but i doubt it. The Micro USM simply sucks. That´s why i
    mentioned the 85 1,8 USM as an alternative.

    Regards,
    Markus
     
    Markus Fuenfrocken, May 27, 2010
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    OG Guest

    IS won't help with moving subjects.
     
    OG, May 27, 2010
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