Let Kodak know that you would buy gelatin-free film!

Discussion in 'Kodak' started by WHID, Nov 16, 2006.

  1. WHID

    WHID Guest

    Let Kodak know that you would buy gelatin-free film!

    THE PETITION
    Gelatin is used in the film of 35mm cameras. Gelatin is also found in
    cows. Thats right...the jello brand gelatin you eat contains grounded up
    bone marrow from many animals including horses, cows, pigs, and other
    farm animals. Support the rights of animals and the environment by
    asking Kodak to support us in our fight for animal welfare without
    compromising many peoples love for photography.

    DESIRED OUTCOME
    To let Kodak know that a gelatin-free film is more animal and
    environment friendly and that you would support them 100%.

    WHO WE NEED TO INFLUENCE
    EVERYONE! Espescially photo-lovers and animal rights activists.

    HOW LONG WILL WE CAMPAIGN
    As long as it takes.

    » Sign this petition by clicking the link below

    http://www.ethical-business.com/default.asp?sect=detail&pet=590#sigs
     
    WHID, Nov 16, 2006
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    Remus Guest

    Why bother? Film is a dying medium and will only be available to specialists in a few years time.
    Sad to say many people now view these 'activists' as terrorists or at least as supporters of/apologists for terrorist activities. Their activities have done much to alienate the people whose support they need. I will resume my support for animal rights when the asylum is no longer being run by the lunatics.
     
    Remus, Nov 16, 2006
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    Scott W Guest

    Why on earth would I buy gelatin free film when I don't buy any film
    now.

    Seems to me if you really care about this you would tell people to
    simply stop using film right now altogether. After all why wait for
    gelatin free film when it is so easy not to use film now?

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Nov 16, 2006
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    Colin_D Guest

    FYI, *all* film needs gelatin for the latent image to be retained until
    development, and not just 35mm. Pre-gelatin, photogs used wet plates, a
    suspension of silver halide in collodion, which had to be exposed before
    the collodion dried. Once dry, the plate was insensitive to light.
    gelatin was found to have characteristics that allowed for dry plates,
    and AFAIK there is no substitute.

    You are also overlooking the fact that the source for gelatin is the
    same as for your meat - unless you are a vego and decry meat as well.

    You sound to be young, idealistic, and ignorant of what you are on about.

    Colin D.
     
    Colin_D, Nov 16, 2006
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    Mike Guest

    Do you think that gelatin might come from all the animals that are
    butchered for food ? You do know where all that meat in the grocery stores
    comes from, don't you ?
     
    Mike, Nov 16, 2006
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  6. From: "WHID" <>

    | Let Kodak know that you would buy gelatin-free film!
    |
    | THE PETITION
    | Gelatin is used in the film of 35mm cameras. Gelatin is also found in
    | cows. Thats right...the jello brand gelatin you eat contains grounded up
    | bone marrow from many animals including horses, cows, pigs, and other
    | farm animals. Support the rights of animals and the environment by
    | asking Kodak to support us in our fight for animal welfare without
    | compromising many peoples love for photography.

    Thanx for the joke !

    I am still laughing.

    I think I'll make some gelatin for Tomorrow's dessert.
     
    David H. Lipman, Nov 16, 2006
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    WHID Guest

    Because there is a chance that it will not.
    Yes, our beloved leaders just passed the "Animal Enterprise Terrorism
    Act"

    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h109-4239

    Which is so vague that one might be considered a terrorist just because
    they don't use animal product.

    They spend all their time on this act and where is Osama?
     
    WHID, Nov 17, 2006
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    WHID Guest

    Why did you reply? If you shoot digital it does not concern you. I
    potsed this only in alt.photography
    It is not me to tell people what to do. All this is promoting is an
    OPTION to gelatin based film.

    And I stopped using film in 1998 because I am a vegan. I still like the
    look of film which is why I am advocating this.

    I have nothing against non-vegans. It is a personal choice.
     
    WHID, Nov 17, 2006
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    Scott W Guest

    Sitting in a cave somewhere eating Jello?

    Scott
     
    Scott W, Nov 17, 2006
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  10. WHID

    WHID Guest

    Kodak has already developed non-gelatin based 35mm film but will not
    sell it because it is more expensive.
    As I said in another post, I am vegan.
    I just turned 40 the other day and I have been an idealist since I was
    15. There are people who still work to make the world better.
     
    WHID, Nov 17, 2006
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  11. WHID

    WHID Guest

    Wow, where is all this hostility coming from? All we are asking for is a
    choice. I am vegan, that is my choice. It does not bother me if someone
    else uses animal products. It is a personal choice.
     
    WHID, Nov 17, 2006
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    WHID Guest

    If you think that would bother a vegan, you are confused about vegans.

    But if you are serioous, why do you think it is funny?
     
    WHID, Nov 17, 2006
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    WHID Guest

    Probably. Terrorism breeds terrorism.
     
    WHID, Nov 17, 2006
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    Scott W Guest

    So this seems sensible to your? That Kodak is going to spend time and
    money changing a product that is rapidly dying and reformulate it
    without the use of gelatin?

    Of all the used and abuses of animals that you would go after to stop
    this seems like a very odd one. For one thing since gelatin is a by
    product there would not be any animals saved. Just how much sales do
    you believe Kodak is losing because of all the Vegans out there what
    won't use film with animal products in it?


    Scott
     
    Scott W, Nov 17, 2006
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  15. From: "WHID" <>


    |
    | If you think that would bother a vegan, you are confused about vegans.
    |
    | But if you are serioous, why do you think it is funny?

    I think this is *very* funny because you are serious.

    BTW: I had chopped beef in my linguini sauce for dinner.
    Before that I had a boiled chicken egg.

    It was yummy ! :)
     
    David H. Lipman, Nov 17, 2006
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  16. WHID

    WHID Guest

    They already have the product. All we are asking is that they selll it
    with their other products. No change, just choice.
    It is only one.
    By not using gelatin the cost of all animal products increase, slowing
    down consumption. That is one example.

    If we dressed with the skins of executed prisoners would that be ok as
    well?
    They lost my sales, but that is not the point.
     
    WHID, Nov 17, 2006
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    WHID Guest

    I am glad you enjoyed your dinner!
     
    WHID, Nov 17, 2006
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    John Boy Guest

    Said with tongue-in-cheek...
    If we give up gelatin-based film, then we should also give up Jello. This
    would put thousands of Jello workers out of their jobs. Would you see their
    children starving because of the lack of demand for Jello? On top of all
    this, the people who grow the lemons, limes and strawberries will be out of
    work because the Jello factory no longer needs their products. In the end,
    millions of people will be out of work because the gelatin boycott would
    trickle down to everyone who is connected with the trade. Cardboard box
    makers... printers... sugar plantation workers, delivery drivers for each of
    the connected trades. In the meanwhile the animal carcasses will have to be
    buried in the ground instead of being made into gelatin. I doubt that the
    animals care much about their hides after their flesh has been eaten.

    If you really want to protest something, protest digital cameras because
    they are collectively capturing a lot of light, thus making the world a
    darker place. :)
     
    John Boy, Nov 17, 2006
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    Stan Beck Guest

    Does this also apply to McDonald's?

    or hamburgers, hot dogs, barbeque, steak, and chicken noodle soup? Or
    thanksgiving dinner?

    Don't eat animals - eat animal rights activists instead.


    (why did I even read this post in the first place?)



    --
    You can take good photos with a bad camera, and horrible photos with a good
    camera.

    Stan Beck > From New Orleans to Brandon MS
    To reply, remove 101 from address.
    ***
     
    Stan Beck, Nov 17, 2006
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    AustinMN Guest

    Who's going to feed the farm animals when we stop consuming them? The
    truth is, if you achieved your goals, those animals you pretend to be
    protecting would be subject to mass starvation - at your hands.

    What a mindless, unthinking idiot.

    Austin
     
    AustinMN, Nov 17, 2006
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