Lets talk about noise. No I mean camera making noise.

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by ., Apr 23, 2008.

  1. .

    . Guest

    I'm, I guess, what would honestly be considered an advanced amateur
    photographer. Now I do mostly bird photos. I have gotten my approach
    to the point that I get quite close to some birds and with some good
    lens I'm able to get what I consider great shots. But with the sound
    of auto focus the bird is often gone before the shutter opens.

    I use an Olympus E-510 and wonder about the comparison with the sound
    level of other systems.

    I am thinking of trying some sound absorbing cloth draped over my
    camera body to help absorb this distraction.

    Any advice will be appreciated.

    Charlie
     
    ., Apr 23, 2008
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  2. "." <> wrote:
    > I'm, I guess, what would honestly be considered an advanced amateur
    > photographer. Now I do mostly bird photos. I have gotten my approach
    > to the point that I get quite close to some birds and with some good
    > lens I'm able to get what I consider great shots. But with the sound
    > of auto focus the bird is often gone before the shutter opens.


    So use manual focus (usually a switch on the lens). Many dSLRs will give you
    a flash in the viewfinder and an optional beep when you get the subject in
    focus in manual focus mode.

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Apr 23, 2008
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  3. "dot" wrote
    > I'm, I guess, what would honestly be considered an
    > advanced amateur photographer. Now I do mostly bird
    > photos. I have gotten my approach to the point that I get
    > quite close to some birds and with some good lens I'm
    > able to get what I consider great shots. But with the
    > sound of auto focus the bird is often gone before the
    > shutter opens.

    You´re talking about AF motor noise here? Then get a lens with a quiet
    ultrasonic AF drive (SWD) instead.

    > I use an Olympus E-510 and wonder about the comparison
    > with the sound level of other systems.

    Besides the sound your lens makes, the shutter of your body is another
    source of annoying sounds - i own a EOS 20D, Which unfortunately has one of
    the loudest shutter sounds available - almost impossible to shoot shy birds.
    My old Digital Rebel and the 10D where quite silent... so it really depends
    on the particular model.

    > I am thinking of trying some sound absorbing cloth draped
    > over my camera body to help absorb this distraction.

    There are cases available that are designed to mute any sound coming from a
    body, but they are bulky and expensive. I can´t recall the name of a brand
    or the correct term for such a device, though....

    Regards,
    Markus
     
    Markus Fuenfrocken, Apr 23, 2008
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  4. .

    . Guest

    On Apr 23, 7:38 am, "David J. Littleboy" <> wrote:
    > "." <> wrote:
    > > I'm, I guess, what would honestly be considered an advanced amateur
    > > photographer. Now I do mostly bird photos. I have gotten my approach
    > > to the point that I get quite close to some birds and with some good
    > > lens I'm able to get what I consider great shots. But with the sound
    > > of auto focus the bird is often gone before the shutter opens.

    >
    > So use manual focus (usually a switch on the lens). Many dSLRs will give you
    > a flash in the viewfinder and an optional beep when you get the subject in
    > focus in manual focus mode.
    >
    > David J. Littleboy
    > Tokyo, Japan


    I often do just that. As you certainly know birds move around a lot
    even before the noise and the auto focus is handy and switching to
    manual (though I do it often) causes a missed shot too.

    Digital is so great with so many new advantages. New ones arrive with
    improvement.

    Charlie
     
    ., Apr 23, 2008
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  5. .

    . Guest

    On Apr 23, 8:29 am, "Markus Fuenfrocken" <>
    wrote:
    > "dot" wrote> I'm, I guess, what would honestly be considered an
    > > advanced amateur photographer. Now I do mostly bird
    > > photos. I have gotten my approach to the point that I get
    > > quite close to some birds and with some good lens I'm
    > > able to get what I consider great shots. But with the
    > > sound of auto focus the bird is often gone before the
    > > shutter opens.

    >
    > You´re talking about AF motor noise here? Then get a lens with a quiet
    > ultrasonic AF drive (SWD) instead.
    >
    > > I use an Olympus E-510 and wonder about the comparison
    > > with the sound level of other systems.

    >
    > Besides the sound your lens makes, the shutter of your body is another
    > source of annoying sounds - i own a EOS 20D, Which unfortunately has one of
    > the loudest shutter sounds available - almost impossible to shoot shy birds.
    > My old Digital Rebel and the 10D where quite silent... so it really depends
    > on the particular model.
    >
    > > I am thinking of trying some sound absorbing cloth draped
    > > over my camera body to help absorb this distraction.

    >
    > There are cases available that are designed to mute any sound coming from a
    > body, but they are bulky and expensive. I can´t recall the name of a brand
    > or the correct term for such a device, though....
    >
    > Regards,
    > Markus


    I will look into the "ultrasonic AF drive (SWD)". I'm not familiar
    with this.

    At present I have Myrtle and Audobon Warblers in our area and have
    gotten many decent shots at distance but when I've been able to have
    close shots, camera noise has spooked them and I get great blurred
    flight shots instead. These birds are flighty and even the physical
    movement, on their close approaches, that are required to change to
    manual focus causes flight

    Such is life with new and interesting new challanges.

    Anyhow, thanks to all for advice as some, or all of it, may get me
    shots I might not have gotten otherwise.

    Charlie
     
    ., Apr 23, 2008
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  6. .

    C J Campbell Guest

    On 2008-04-23 07:35:03 -0700, "." <> said:

    > I'm, I guess, what would honestly be considered an advanced amateur
    > photographer. Now I do mostly bird photos. I have gotten my approach
    > to the point that I get quite close to some birds and with some good
    > lens I'm able to get what I consider great shots. But with the sound
    > of auto focus the bird is often gone before the shutter opens.
    >
    > I use an Olympus E-510 and wonder about the comparison with the sound
    > level of other systems.
    >
    > I am thinking of trying some sound absorbing cloth draped over my
    > camera body to help absorb this distraction.
    >
    > Any advice will be appreciated.
    >
    > Charlie


    This is one of the big reasons the old Leica rangefinders were so
    popular. <sigh>

    Well, I think the cloth or a blind is probably your best bet, if you
    are that close.
    --
    Waddling Eagle
    World Famous Flight Instructor
     
    C J Campbell, Apr 23, 2008
    #6
  7. .

    ____ Guest

    In article <funkjp$p28$>,
    "Markus Fuenfrocken" <> wrote:
    ..
    > Besides the sound your lens makes, the shutter of your body is another
    > source of annoying sounds - i own a EOS 20D, Which unfortunately has one of
    > the loudest shutter sounds available - almost impossible to shoot shy birds.
    > My old Digital Rebel and the 10D where quite silent... so it really depends
    > on the particular model.


    I can't imagine it would ever be as loud as my old Bronica SQ mirror
    slapping upward to allow a picture, but you never know.

    --
    Reality is a picture perfected and never looking back.
     
    ____, Apr 23, 2008
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  8. .

    . Guest

    On Apr 23, 3:27 pm, ____ <> wrote:
    > In article <funkjp$>,
    >  "Markus Fuenfrocken" <> wrote:
    > .
    >
    > > Besides the sound your lens makes, the shutter of your body is another
    > > source of annoying sounds - i own a EOS 20D, Which unfortunately has oneof
    > > the loudest shutter sounds available - almost impossible to shoot shy birds.
    > > My old Digital Rebel and the 10D where quite silent... so it really depends
    > > on the particular model.

    >
    > I can't imagine it would ever be as loud as my old Bronica SQ mirror
    > slapping upward to allow a picture, but you never know.
    >
    > --
    > Reality is a picture perfected and never looking back.


    I used a friends Kowa 2x2 for awhile and that was like slapping two 2
    x 4's togeather when the mirror slapped up. Some birds, though, don't
    need much to spook them.

    Charlie
     
    ., Apr 23, 2008
    #8
  9. .

    ____ Guest

    In article
    <>,
    "." <> wrote:

    > On Apr 23, 3:27 pm, ____ <> wrote:
    > > In article <funkjp$>,
    > >  "Markus Fuenfrocken" <> wrote:
    > > .
    > >
    > > > Besides the sound your lens makes, the shutter of your body is another
    > > > source of annoying sounds - i own a EOS 20D, Which unfortunately has one
    > > > of
    > > > the loudest shutter sounds available - almost impossible to shoot shy
    > > > birds.
    > > > My old Digital Rebel and the 10D where quite silent... so it really
    > > > depends
    > > > on the particular model.

    > >
    > > I can't imagine it would ever be as loud as my old Bronica SQ mirror
    > > slapping upward to allow a picture, but you never know.
    > >
    > > --
    > > Reality is a picture perfected and never looking back.

    >
    > I used a friends Kowa 2x2 for awhile and that was like slapping two 2
    > x 4's togeather when the mirror slapped up. Some birds, though, don't
    > need much to spook them.
    >
    > Charlie


    Correct.

    If your eyes were as sharp as most bird's eye are and had as many BB
    guns with scopes pointed at you , you would spook easily too.

    It also depends on the bird, last week I photographed a Cardinal under
    the tree he was in with my 300m f2.8 not more than 50' away and the
    bird stayed put eating seeds to his heart's content. On the way home I
    spied a red tail hawk about 2,000 feet away i crept careful over a hill
    toward him and he flew away rather abruptly.

    --
    Reality is a picture perfected and never looking back.
     
    ____, Apr 24, 2008
    #9
  10. .

    Robert Coe Guest

    On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:02:02 -0400, ____ <>
    wrote:
    : In article
    : <>,
    : "." <> wrote:
    :
    : > On Apr 23, 3:27 pm, ____ <> wrote:
    : > > In article <funkjp$>,
    : > >  "Markus Fuenfrocken" <> wrote:
    : > > .
    : > >
    : > > > Besides the sound your lens makes, the shutter of your body is another
    : > > > source of annoying sounds - i own a EOS 20D, Which unfortunately has one
    : > > > of
    : > > > the loudest shutter sounds available - almost impossible to shoot shy
    : > > > birds.
    : > > > My old Digital Rebel and the 10D where quite silent... so it really
    : > > > depends
    : > > > on the particular model.
    : > >
    : > > I can't imagine it would ever be as loud as my old Bronica SQ mirror
    : > > slapping upward to allow a picture, but you never know.
    : > >
    : > > --
    : > > Reality is a picture perfected and never looking back.
    : >
    : > I used a friends Kowa 2x2 for awhile and that was like slapping two 2
    : > x 4's togeather when the mirror slapped up. Some birds, though, don't
    : > need much to spook them.
    : >
    : > Charlie
    :
    : Correct.
    :
    : If your eyes were as sharp as most bird's eye are and had as many BB
    : guns with scopes pointed at you , you would spook easily too.
    :
    : It also depends on the bird, last week I photographed a Cardinal under
    : the tree he was in with my 300m f2.8 not more than 50' away and the
    : bird stayed put eating seeds to his heart's content. On the way home I
    : spied a red tail hawk about 2,000 feet away i crept careful over a hill
    : toward him and he flew away rather abruptly.

    Cardinals don't mind people much. They'll build a nest in a bush right under
    the windowsill of your house and then go about their business as though you
    didn't even exist.

    Hawks are another story, but my wife once had a redtail land on the street in
    front of our house about 50 feet from where she was standing. She was
    astounded by how big he was; she estimated a 4-foot wingspan. Did she have her
    camera with her? Of course not. Sigh …

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Apr 24, 2008
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  11. .

    ____ Guest

    In article <>,
    Robert Coe <> wrote:


    > Cardinals don't mind people much. They'll build a nest in a bush right under
    > the windowsill of your house and then go about their business as though you
    > didn't even exist.


    Helps if you feed them too :)


    > Hawks are another story, but my wife once had a redtail land on the street in
    > front of our house about 50 feet from where she was standing. She was
    > astounded by how big he was; she estimated a 4-foot wingspan. Did she have
    > her
    > camera with her? Of course not. Sigh …
    >
    > Bob


    I have a Red Tail Hawk story too! Maybe less believable - here goes:

    Once upon a time I had just started doing 4x5 camera work, and I
    obligated my father's whim to photograph a scene he had always liked at
    a local stream- waterfalls where he had camped at as a younger man.

    So i had started doing photo because my dad liked it and I was an
    artist because my dad taught me to draw, then in high school I did photo
    because dad did photo in the air force and really liked it. In any event
    I always viewed that some greater power has helped me through various
    issues and has somewhat lead my choice to be a photographer to be
    stronger in desire than most, so on that day I photographed my first
    really good 4x5 image I found a red tail hawk feather, my omen.

    ©GWB2008

    --
    Reality is a picture perfected and never looking back.
     
    ____, Apr 24, 2008
    #11
  12. Markus Fuenfrocken <> wrote:

    > You're talking about AF motor noise here? Then get a lens with a quiet
    > ultrasonic AF drive (SWD) instead.


    Beware of shy animals with hearing in the ultrasonic range.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Apr 24, 2008
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  13. .

    David Kelson Guest

    On Apr 23, 7:35 am, "." <> wrote:
    > I'm, I guess, what would honestly be considered an advanced amateur
    > photographer. Now I do mostly bird photos. I have gotten my approach
    > to the point that I get quite close to some birds and with some good
    > lens I'm able to get what I consider great shots. But with the sound
    > of auto focus the bird is often gone before the shutter opens.
    >
    > I use an Olympus E-510 and wonder about the comparison with the sound
    > level of other systems.
    >
    > I am thinking of trying some sound absorbing cloth draped over my
    > camera body to help absorb this distraction.
    >
    > Any advice will be appreciated.
    >
    > Charlie


    PURCHASE a "Blimp". They are used on movie sets by still photographers
    to quite their camera during dialog recording. They are very
    effective. They are manufactured in Los Angeles and sized for specific
    camera bodies. Regards, David
     
    David Kelson, Apr 24, 2008
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  14. .

    Robert Coe Guest

    On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:50:56 -0400, ____ <>
    wrote:
    : In article <>,
    : Robert Coe <> wrote:
    :
    :
    : > Cardinals don't mind people much. They'll build a nest in a bush right under
    : > the windowsill of your house and then go about their business as though you
    : > didn't even exist.
    :
    : Helps if you feed them too :)
    :
    :
    : > Hawks are another story, but my wife once had a redtail land on the street
    : > in front of our house about 50 feet from where she was standing. She was
    : > astounded by how big he was; she estimated a 4-foot wingspan. Did she have
    : > her camera with her? Of course not. Sigh …
    : >
    : > Bob
    :
    : I have a Red Tail Hawk story too! Maybe less believable - here goes:
    :
    : Once upon a time I had just started doing 4x5 camera work, and I
    : obligated my father's whim to photograph a scene he had always liked at
    : a local stream- waterfalls where he had camped at as a younger man.
    :
    : So i had started doing photo because my dad liked it and I was an
    : artist because my dad taught me to draw, then in high school I did photo
    : because dad did photo in the air force and really liked it. In any event
    : I always viewed that some greater power has helped me through various
    : issues and has somewhat lead my choice to be a photographer to be
    : stronger in desire than most, so on that day I photographed my first
    : really good 4x5 image I found a red tail hawk feather, my omen.

    My hawk story:

    About fifteen years ago I was walking my dog on a Sunday morning when a hawk
    descended into the neighborhood. Hawks are fond of crows' eggs, and he must
    have spotted a nest. But this time a cloud of crows gathered around the hawk
    and effectively rendered him helpless. Every time he'd get within 50 to 75
    feet of the ground, the crows would get in his way, and he'd have to circle
    back up and try again. Finally he got tired of it all and flew away.

    In those pre-digital times I almost never carried a camera, so of course I
    didn't have one with me that day.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Apr 26, 2008
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  15. .

    Robert Coe Guest

    On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:51:20 -0700 (PDT), David Kelson
    <> wrote:
    : On Apr 23, 7:35 am, "." <> wrote:
    : > I'm, I guess, what would honestly be considered an advanced amateur
    : > photographer. Now I do mostly bird photos. I have gotten my approach
    : > to the point that I get quite close to some birds and with some good
    : > lens I'm able to get what I consider great shots. But with the sound
    : > of auto focus the bird is often gone before the shutter opens.
    : >
    : > I use an Olympus E-510 and wonder about the comparison with the sound
    : > level of other systems.
    : >
    : > I am thinking of trying some sound absorbing cloth draped over my
    : > camera body to help absorb this distraction.
    : >
    : > Any advice will be appreciated.
    : >
    : > Charlie
    :
    : PURCHASE a "Blimp". They are used on movie sets by still photographers
    : to quite their camera during dialog recording. They are very
    : effective. They are manufactured in Los Angeles and sized for specific
    : camera bodies. Regards, David

    Most of the noise comes from the mirror and the focal-plane shutter. Some
    P&S's are so quiet that they have a beep you can turn on to tell you that the
    picture was taken.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Apr 26, 2008
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  16. Robert Coe <> wrote:

    > Most of the noise comes from the mirror and the focal-plane shutter. Some
    > P&S's are so quiet that they have a beep you can turn on to tell you that the
    > picture was taken.


    Some of them even come with immitation mirror slap sounds, to
    make you feel better about your 'cheap' camera.
    (Remember that sound design is done to make you feel better
    about your car, your vacuum cleaner, your camera ...)

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Apr 27, 2008
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  17. .

    C J Campbell Guest

    On 2008-04-26 17:02:03 -0700, Wolfgang Weisselberg
    <> said:

    > Robert Coe <> wrote:
    >
    >> Most of the noise comes from the mirror and the focal-plane shutter. Some
    >> P&S's are so quiet that they have a beep you can turn on to tell you that the
    >> picture was taken.

    >
    > Some of them even come with immitation mirror slap sounds, to
    > make you feel better about your 'cheap' camera.
    > (Remember that sound design is done to make you feel better
    > about your car, your vacuum cleaner, your camera ...)
    >
    > -Wolfgang


    Lawn mower manufacturers have known for decades that noisy lawn mowers
    and leaf blowers sell better than quiet ones. People think they are
    more 'powerful.'
    --
    Waddling Eagle
    World Famous Flight Instructor
     
    C J Campbell, Apr 27, 2008
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  18. .

    ____ Guest

    In article <200804261942378930-christophercampbell@hotmailcom>,
    C J Campbell <> wrote:

    > On 2008-04-26 17:02:03 -0700, Wolfgang Weisselberg
    > <> said:
    >
    > > Robert Coe <> wrote:
    > >
    > >> Most of the noise comes from the mirror and the focal-plane shutter. Some
    > >> P&S's are so quiet that they have a beep you can turn on to tell you that
    > >> the
    > >> picture was taken.

    > >
    > > Some of them even come with immitation mirror slap sounds, to
    > > make you feel better about your 'cheap' camera.
    > > (Remember that sound design is done to make you feel better
    > > about your car, your vacuum cleaner, your camera ...)
    > >
    > > -Wolfgang

    >
    > Lawn mower manufacturers have known for decades that noisy lawn mowers
    > and leaf blowers sell better than quiet ones. People think they are
    > more 'powerful.'


    You guys are friggin nuts.

    --
    Reality is a picture perfected and never looking back.
     
    ____, Apr 28, 2008
    #18
  19. ____ <> wrote:

    > You guys are friggin nuts.


    says the guy with "____" as a name in his ID papers.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Apr 28, 2008
    #19
  20. .

    ____ Guest

    In article <>,
    Wolfgang Weisselberg <> wrote:

    > ____ <> wrote:
    >
    > > You guys are friggin nuts.

    >
    > says the guy with "____" as a name in his ID papers.
    >
    > -Wolfgang


    Likewise Wolfie.

    --
    Reality is a picture perfected and never looking back.
     
    ____, Apr 28, 2008
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