Lighting again

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by reqluq, Jun 30, 2008.

  1. reqluq

    reqluq Guest

    A few months ago I came in here and asked about a portable light to shoot
    video. Got no sensible response to my question. I have finally found what I
    was looking for here is the link so in future others can be helped instead
    of the long discussions on what I didn't need. I will post link and some of
    the responses to my previous post to refresh anyones memory.
    This is the question posted on 2/14/2008:

    *Hi what do I need to record video at night? I've googled all over but can't
    seem to come up with what to ask for .*

    Here simply is what I should of got:
    http://www.lowel.com/prolight/
    http://www.lowel.com/kits.html

    Here is what I did get:

    *It is not a simple question.
    Can you tell us what you want to shoot ,
    what kind of camera you want to use, and
    what is your epected quality (what you want
    to use the video for)?*

    But it was a simple question about lighting.

    ME: *Thanks for the response .. I want to record a band using a normal video
    cam at night..I need the bright portable (hand held) light to record them..
    It's just an amateur shoot for fun..but need a light so it doesn't come out
    dark*

    That's all I needed...but it went on

    *Have the band spend a few bucks and rent some par cans with disco gels or
    something cheap and easy for the night.
    Just enough to light each member.
    Will make a HUGE difference in the end.*

    NO!! I need a portable (HAND HELD) light.

    *Absolutely. I can't imagine how any kind of portable or
    hand-held light would make any difference in the video.
    It doesn't even seem worth the experiment, IMHO. *

    I can, I've seen it in action. It's not an experiment.

    *Well, you can have a lot of fun with some china-balls on a stick :) Plus
    you can put 12V halogens in them, fed from a battery and you're quite
    portable.
    martin-*
    ME: *No I want something that I will use ..please ..a portable spotlight
    thanks*

    *Do you really want to make everyone look like an
    animal caught in the headlights? Think about it.*

    I have thought about it!!!Now give me the light!!!

    So here we have it four months later. I have finally seen the light.
    Thanks all
    req
     
    reqluq, Jun 30, 2008
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    Steve King Guest

    |A few months ago I came in here and asked about a portable light to shoot
    | video. Got no sensible response to my question. I have finally found what
    I
    | was looking for here is the link so in future others can be helped instead
    | of the long discussions on what I didn't need. I will post link and some
    of
    | the responses to my previous post to refresh anyones memory.
    | This is the question posted on 2/14/2008:
    |
    | *Hi what do I need to record video at night? I've googled all over but
    can't
    | seem to come up with what to ask for .*
    |
    | Here simply is what I should of got:
    | http://www.lowel.com/prolight/
    | http://www.lowel.com/kits.html
    |
    | Here is what I did get:
    |
    | *It is not a simple question.
    | Can you tell us what you want to shoot ,
    | what kind of camera you want to use, and
    | what is your epected quality (what you want
    | to use the video for)?*
    |
    | But it was a simple question about lighting.
    |
    | ME: *Thanks for the response .. I want to record a band using a normal
    video
    | cam at night..I need the bright portable (hand held) light to record
    them..
    | It's just an amateur shoot for fun..but need a light so it doesn't come
    out
    | dark*
    |
    | That's all I needed...but it went on
    |
    | *Have the band spend a few bucks and rent some par cans with disco gels or
    | something cheap and easy for the night.
    | Just enough to light each member.
    | Will make a HUGE difference in the end.*
    |
    | NO!! I need a portable (HAND HELD) light.
    |
    | *Absolutely. I can't imagine how any kind of portable or
    | hand-held light would make any difference in the video.
    | It doesn't even seem worth the experiment, IMHO. *
    |
    | I can, I've seen it in action. It's not an experiment.
    |
    | *Well, you can have a lot of fun with some china-balls on a stick :) Plus
    | you can put 12V halogens in them, fed from a battery and you're quite
    | portable.
    | martin-*
    | ME: *No I want something that I will use ..please ..a portable spotlight
    | thanks*
    |
    | *Do you really want to make everyone look like an
    | animal caught in the headlights? Think about it.*
    |
    | I have thought about it!!!Now give me the light!!!
    |
    | So here we have it four months later. I have finally seen the light.
    | Thanks all
    | req

    Except the Lowell VIP Pro light is not intended to be a hand-held light.
    Except that it is one of dozens of similar lights made for video that could
    have been found by you in a Google search in seconds. It took you four
    months to find this light? I'm glad you are happy now. Use the light and
    have fun.

    Steve King
     
    Steve King, Jun 30, 2008
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    Larry in AZ Guest

    Larry in AZ, Jun 30, 2008
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    Smarty Guest

    reqluq,

    This newsgroup, like many on the Internet, is merely a random collection of
    people trying to help others. Although we have specialized backgrounds and
    interests, we are not mind readers, nor do we take great delight in playing
    a game of "20 questions" in order to help you solve your problem.

    Do an extremely simple Google search using the words "portable video light".

    Your screen will absolutely fill with a huge number of lights exactly like
    the one you just showed us, from a wide variety of sources. It is just
    extremely hard to believe that you "googled all over" and failed to come up
    with this simple type of stuff.

    You came here asking for free advice in February and are now back here
    saying you did not get your money's worth. I can only say that most of here
    want to help you, need your input to help formulate a truly useful answer,
    don't want to do your Google research for you, and don't especially
    appreciate being criticized because you now feel that you have found "the
    right solution" without our help.

    Don't you think your criticism is harsh or unfair, all considered.....?

    Smarty
     
    Smarty, Jun 30, 2008
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    David McCall Guest

    Add these 2 accessories and a battery belt and it is :)

    Handle & Low-link
    Code: ViP-42
    Weight: 3 oz (85 g)
    For hand-holding ViP lights.
    US List Price: $29.00

    1' 4-pin XLR Cable
    Code: P2-82
    Adapts the updated Pro-light for use with appropriate 12 volt batteries for
    100w operation. No wiring required.
    US List Price: $24.00


    David
     
    David McCall, Jun 30, 2008
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    Rick Merrill Guest

    "Smarty" seems to have taken it Personally, but he doesn't speak for
    everybody.

    The word "portable" means different things to different people. To some
    it means you can carry it from location to location (transportable),
    while to others it means you can use it while running around filming,
    such as those lights that mount on the camera.

    I think you have done a service by posting your results.

    Keep it up.

    Rick
    Merrill
     
    Rick Merrill, Jul 1, 2008
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    Smarty Guest

    I agree with you Rick that reqlug has performed a service by posting his
    results here. I may indeed have taken it personally, but I think the tone of
    his post was critical and negative, and even his most recent post doesn't
    clearly show how he selected a truly portable lighting solution. To the
    contrary, everybody reading his post felt, as I did, that his portable hand
    held lighting request led him to a non portable lighting solution, and even
    now I have no idea where, if at all, a battery is involved in his solution.

    I am always glad to learn more, and that is why I am here, so any post which
    offers technical information is welcome as far as I am concerned.

    I just have a problem with his combination of poor Google research, poor
    definition of what he wants, criticism of the method used here to try and
    glean what he really needs, and then finally a post saying "you failed",
    rather than taking some ownership of the problem.

    Smarty
     
    Smarty, Jul 1, 2008
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  8. See, there you guys go again, punching holes in his solution and making
    things complicated for the poor guy! ;-)


    jaybee
     
    Jacques E. Bouchard, Jul 1, 2008
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  9. I think the word you are looking for is "whiny".
    I doubt we'll ever know. He came here once to ask a question, then came
    back to criticize everyone for not immediately leaping to his assistance.
    He's not interested in contributing or getting involved.



    jaybee
     
    Jacques E. Bouchard, Jul 1, 2008
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  10. I've only been doing this for a year, and even *I* know there's a lot
    more to your question than you let on.

    Here's a hint: if seasoned professionals can't give a straight answer to
    a newbie's question, maybe (just maybe) there's something wrong with the
    question. It sounds crazy, I know, but you mihgt take it under
    consideration.
    And you found it all by yourself, too, like a big boy. Congratulations
    (even though several people have indicated they might not be what you
    were looking for). Hope you didn't pull a muscle, what with doing your
    own searching and being all self-reliant and whatnot. I find that doing
    my own research (instead of dispatching the hired help to do it for me)
    always yields the best results.
    And now comes your next lesson: How Not Enough Lights Can Come Out
    Looking Drab And Dull On Video.

    Not that you're the type to learn from experience, though.


    jaybee
     
    Jacques E. Bouchard, Jul 1, 2008
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    Rick Merrill Guest


    Well, hey, he got what he paid for, didn't he? - )
     
    Rick Merrill, Jul 1, 2008
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  12. Aarrghhh. He still is in the dark now ;-)

    -m-
     
    Martin Heffels, Jul 4, 2008
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  13. Well, I don't know what is _not_ portable in China balls. 500/1000W bulb
    with give a hell of a lot of light for a small handycam.
    I answered his question :)

    cheers

    -martin-
     
    Martin Heffels, Jul 4, 2008
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  14. "reqluq" wrote ...
    You didn't post a sensible question. If you DID think that it was
    "sensible" then it indiates that you haven't thought about even the
    visible 10% of the issue and are not even aware of the submerged
    90%. Good luck.
    What you found are ordinary light kits that any schoolchild could
    have found with a few minutes on Google.
     
    Richard Crowley, Jul 4, 2008
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    P.C. Ford Guest

    A strange phenomenon of USE and web forums occurs when a poster's
    question is answered and then that poster will argue with the person
    who hase taken the time to answer the question.
     
    P.C. Ford, Jul 4, 2008
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  16. Garage sales the world over are filled with "solutions" bought by newbies
    who went directly against the advice of professionnals who took the time
    to give their time freely.

    It would all be fine and dandy if the experience at least served as a
    learning opportunity, but the frustrating thing is that individuals such
    as the OP aren't the type to learn from their mistakes. On the contrary,
    as the tone of his post demonstrates, they hold everyone but themselves
    responsible for their mistakes, and assuming he actually goes through
    with his project (which is unlikely, he seems to lack the determination
    to see things through, let alone do proper research) he's probably moved
    on to another activity, which he'll no doubt plan as carefully as this
    one.

    In other words: I've long since learned to recognize fly-by's such as
    him, and usually ignore their questions because, even assuming they'll
    stick around long enough to read their replies, they'll probably just
    contradict and argue every step of the way.

    Not worth the waste of time and energy.


    jaybe
     
    Jacques E. Bouchard, Jul 4, 2008
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    salsamac795 Guest

    You're wrong..I couldn't get it to reply to these posts because my
    newserver is freakin out. Well now I've joined google and will be in
    shortly to deal with all the replies. gatta go do a gig now,.. I'll be
    back
    req
     
    salsamac795, Jul 5, 2008
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    Poobah Guest

    what a coincidence you happened to "come back" a couple of hours after I
    forwarded a few replies to you by e-mail...

    did your dog eat your internet connection?


    wrote in
     
    Poobah, Jul 5, 2008
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    salsamac795 Guest


    Which email did you send it to?scredcropshon? That doesn't work
    anymore...and I hardly check salsamac
    req
     
    salsamac795, Jul 6, 2008
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    salsamac795 Guest

    Except this was just an example to show what I thought I should have
    got..and you still have not suggested anything.
    In my original post I stated I googled but didn't know what exactly to
    ask for to get the results
    Thanks
    req
     
    salsamac795, Jul 14, 2008
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