Looks like Blu-Ray is going to win.

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Henry Padilla, Oct 10, 2005.

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    Tarkus Guest

    Tarkus, Oct 10, 2005
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    AnthonyR Guest

    I think it's still too early to tell...but if current dvd disc can be viewed
    in the new HD-DVD machines then I think that will be enough an advantage to
    convince owners of current large dvd disc collections to buy a new HD-DVD
    system, rather than a new machine and have two incompatible dvd collections
    and 2 machines in their system.

    But then again, maybe Blu-Ray machines will be able to read older dvd discs?
    I thought not but could it be possible?
    And if not, maybe they can sell a unit with two slide out draws, one for dvd
    and one for BD. That might work.

    Bigger storage is a good selling point also for me, so it's too close to
    call for me yet.

    AnthonyR, Oct 10, 2005
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    Steve Guidry Guest

    So what ?

    If it's not the blu guys, then it will be someone else.

    And - - like with all other formats - - when it gets established, and proved
    itself, and my customers start asking for it, THEN, and only then will I
    buy it.

    Steve Guidry, Oct 10, 2005
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    Alpha Guest

    Both Blu Ray and HD DVD will fail as they are currently conceived. Mark my
    words.....both will undergo modification, particularly to remove the Big
    Brother copy protection envisioned (especially by Blu Ray).
    Alpha, Oct 10, 2005
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    Jona Vark Guest

    excisely. !

    Kinda like Blue anyway.
    Jona Vark, Oct 10, 2005
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    Bill Van Dyk Guest

    It absolutely amazes me how Sony and Toshiba et al can see it coming--
    clear as day-- and still can't prevent it: Beta vs. VHS all over again.

    Consumers have shown that they won't plunge into a new format in large
    numbers until they get a clear idea that one format will prevail. The
    incredibly fast adoption of DVD showed that.

    They also, up 'til now, have shown an aversion for overbearing copy
    protection schemes. So here's hoping a third, non-conforming format
    comes out by some renegade company that isn't under the thumb of the
    content corporations or their cronies in Washington. A man can dream...
    Bill Van Dyk, Oct 11, 2005
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    Tarkus Guest

    Exactly how would you expect a third format to succeed without the
    blessing of those content corporations in Hollywood? Are they going to
    shoot their own films?
    "Good evening, I'm Leonard Nimoy. The following tale of alien
    encounters is true. And by true I mean false. It's all lies. But
    they're entertaining lies, so in the end, isn't that the truth? The
    answer is 'no.'"

    Now playing: "Bruford Levin Upper Extremities - Etude Revisited"
    Tarkus, Oct 11, 2005
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    Bill Van Dyk Guest

    A Chinese or Indian company comes out with a new format and it is
    adopted by Bollywood and the emerging Chinese film industry, who have
    every reason to undercut Hollywood and Japan. It can read and write
    somewhere around 30 GIG to a DVD form factor and the players are
    compatible with existing DVD disks.

    Actually, now that you mention it... you never know. Why did the VCR
    utterly crush the Video Disk Player? Because it could record. I don't
    know how that element factors into the introduction of new media, but I
    know that those big greedy corporations are sensitive to the way
    consumers attitudes sometimes coalesce around a particular issue. DRM
    may prove to be an utter bust. If some Asian company offers some other
    kind of technology and for some reason doesn't feel oblidged to cowtow
    to the DRM cartel....

    And in my view, this is a cartel.

    The truth is, Free Enterprise and competition are for schmucks. The
    real world is collaboration between Microsoft, Sony, Warner Brothers,
    etc. "Competition? We don't need no stinking competition..."
    Bill Van Dyk, Oct 11, 2005
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    GeekBoy Guest

    Weren't those the sunglasses advertised on cable TV?
    GeekBoy, Oct 11, 2005
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    John W. Hall Guest

    I think that was before we became aware of DVD Hell...
    -R +R RAM and others (IIRC), plus the incompatibilities between
    different hardware and different brands of (nominally) the same type
    of disc.

    I'd settle for either, or both, of the proposed new HD formats if
    things with the same label/logo would interoperate.
    John W. Hall, Oct 11, 2005
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    GMAN Guest

    If that Chinese disk cant do HDTV, its game over before it even started for
    GMAN, Oct 12, 2005

  13. But if none of the studios produce movies on HD-DVD then what good is it?

    I have a fine DVD player right now. This would be a separate product. If
    it played DVD's too that would be great, but I wouldn't by it just for that
    reason. Besides, I heard that some of the hardware manufacturers are
    putting the red laser on the other side from the blue and it works fine.
    I've even heard that some are trying to get the groves to overlap, but one
    will be too big for the blue laser to see and too small for the red laser to
    use so you can get both formats on one disk. So maybe they will be
    Henry Padilla, Oct 16, 2005
  14. My feeling as well. I've been looking into cameras for a couple of years
    and someone always wants me to get an HD camera.

    Until one of these guys wins (and I mean hands-down) there's no delivery
    medium. And even then it'll take a couple of years for it to be adopted and
    in most peoples homes.

    So until most everyone is leaving because I can't do HD, I've got time.

    Tom P.
    Henry Padilla, Oct 16, 2005
  15. I don't know about "fail" but I suspect that as this generation of kids
    progress through the industry, there'll be a split between the 'sold'
    content and the 'collected' content camps.

    For a large slice of the market, the "sold" guys will continue to rely
    on mechanical gizmos and copy protection.

    Underneath that, you'll find a continuing, robust and ever shifting
    electronic game conceived along the lines of some permutation of the bit
    torrent concept - where people exchange the content they like - in
    whatever whatever "definition" they enjoy - totally without regard for
    any of the legal niceities.

    If a content provider makes it easier to "play legal" like Apple did
    with iTunes (now with VIDEO!) in a model that includes both hardware AND
    software accessibility in a simple, workable model with extras (user
    ratings, tips, mixes, etc) that will do well.

    But all the traditional "disc" formats are just fingers in the dikes of
    the reality of the current world of digital content distribution.

    They just don't understand that the whole damn technology is shifting
    out from under them by the hour.

    Mikey (now 13) wanted some music from a band not on iTunes so I took him
    shopping to a bricks and mortar music store. Whoever made the decision
    not to license to iTunes made him leave his house, physically travel to
    the mall, buy a piece of round plastic encased in MORE plastic -
    "protected" but MORE plastic that he cursed while opening - than ripped
    to his iPod and promptly consigned all the plastic crap INCLUDING the CD
    to the landfill - and charged him almost double ($17) for the privilege

    Nice business model.
    William Davis, Oct 16, 2005
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    AnthonyR Guest

    Not only that, but once Mickey has ripped it to his ipod from cd, he can
    e-mail it to friends and they can share it with torrents and it's everywhere
    once again, so millions will get it free rather than all the trouble Mickey
    went through.
    In the end, everyone involved in only making it available on cd to make $17
    rather than the $1 per song, will loss out in the long run.

    They could have easily sold millions of copies legally for $1 each on
    iTunes, but by choosing to be greedy and not make it legally available
    online, they create the demand for illegal online downloads and make Zero
    from online sales, and less from cd sales too in the end.
    Will they learn? I think the smart ones already have....

    I love buying songs on iTunes, and never go to a cd store anymore. :)
    As you pointed out, it's too inconvenient.
    AnthonyR, Oct 17, 2005
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    AnthonyR Guest

    Well, One good thing for early adaptors of HD cameras now would be that even
    though the delivery medium isn't there now,
    and customers are demanding it (so true), if you capture events (weddings
    etc...) on HD now, then in 3-4 years when a medium
    is a clear standard and players are in homes and clients are demanding it,
    you can then resell previous events all over again to old clients, now in
    HD. :)
    More money from past work if you hold onto the medium somehow, HDV tape?
    Just an idea.

    AnthonyR, Oct 17, 2005
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    Alpha Guest

    Excellent analysis.
    Alpha, Oct 17, 2005
  19. I read in Business Week that MS was like really angry that Sony managed
    to garner the support of almost all the major production studios.

    Interestingly, they say its coz Blu-Ray goes against MS's vision of a
    home entertainment centre. The thing is, once Blu-Ray goes mainstream,
    the average PC won't be able to play them. And that is going to
    threaten MS image of a digital home and digital lifestyle, with music
    and movies streamed to all parts of the house.

    Best Regards,
    Gary Hendricks
    Learn to shoot, capture and edit your own digital videos!
    Gary Hendricks, Oct 17, 2005
  20. Why not? I've seen Blu-Ray burners for a little over $3000. That and the
    resolution of PC's should make it no problem to play HD content.

    Tom P.
    Henry Padilla, Oct 17, 2005
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