MACRO MADNESS WITH THE 20D !!!

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Annika1980, Apr 8, 2005.

  1. Annika1980

    Annika1980 Guest

    Well sports fans, the day has arrived!

    I have finally obtained the famous Canon 65mm MP-E Macro lens that I
    have been coveting for some time. I plan to take lots of cool macro
    shots with this beauty. It's a cool lens. Just resting on the camera
    it looks like any ordinary 65mm lens. But when you rack it out it
    snaps to attention and looks almost like a long telephoto. The lens is
    capable of 5x magnification so it is almost a microscope. It goes
    almost without saying that Nikon has nothing that can even compare to
    this lens. So sad.

    Of course, having all that magnification brings with it some drawbacks.
    The focusing distance is only a few inches (or less) from the lens.
    The DOF is almost nil.
    And keeping the damn thing steady is going to present quite a
    challenge, even for steady old me. But I did get a new tripod ring out
    of the deal which I can also use to replace my broken one on the Super
    70-200 f/2.8L. Who Rules?

    Canon recommends using the lens with one of their (expensive)
    lens-mounted flashes like the Macro Ring Lite MR-14EX or the Macro Twin
    Lite MT-24EX, and I can see why. The effective aperture goes to f/16.8
    (at 5x) when the camera reads f/2.8 so there is tremendous light
    falloff with this lens. I love how they put it in the manual:

    "This does not cause exposure problems for normal picture-taking (the
    MP-E 65mm f/2.8 1-5x lens cannot take normal pictures)."

    Hey, I love it already!

    Also, at the close focusing distances you need, the lens itself blocks
    much of the ambient light. Looks like I'll be using my off-camera shoe
    cord with the 550EX.

    Here are a few early samples I took with the lens today.
    The first is a pic of the letters on the edge of my Compact Flash card.
    You know how thin these cards are, right? Well the letters in this
    pic are about half the thickness of the card.
    http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/41777969/original

    The next two shots are closeups of my computer monitors.
    Note the differing patterns between them (maybe someone else can
    explain why).
    http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/41777970
    http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/41777971

    Look for more Macro Madness from the Mighty MP-E coming soon!
     
    Annika1980, Apr 8, 2005
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    That_Rich Guest

    <snip>

    As mentioned earlier, I also just bought a macro lens.
    In lieu of pictures of flash cards and monitors I opted to test it
    with something more natural.

    I know it's cliche as hell but I need to start somewhere.

    http://www.pbase.com/that_rich/image/41737343

    Taken at 1/2 life size. My lens will only go 1:1 but for the life of
    me I can't ever see wanting more magnification.

    Enjoy your new lens Bret.
    Macro seems all the rage lately ;)

    RP©
     
    That_Rich, Apr 8, 2005
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  3. Annika1980

    Justin Thyme Guest

    Presumably 5x is with film, so on the DSLR that would be more like 7-1/2
    times correct?
     
    Justin Thyme, Apr 8, 2005
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    Roxy d'Urban Guest

    Clearly the folks at B&H didn't get our memo...
    Why would Nikon want to lower their standards by competing with Canon when
    they actually manufacture microscopes (that can be used with Nikon cameras)?
    This is where that thing called "skill" comes into effect.
    Well, that's probably because you haven't left P mode yet.
    You mean to tell me that your dandy 20D can't fire the flash without a
    cord attached to it? Wow...some technology you have there.
    Madness indeed.
     
    Roxy d'Urban, Apr 8, 2005
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    ian lincoln Guest

    had trouble with my 550ex and jessops own off camera sync cord. Do canon do
    one of their own?
     
    ian lincoln, Apr 8, 2005
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    Matt Clara Guest

  7. Nope. Still 5 times but with a smaller recording area (sensor).
     
    Ronnie Sellar, Apr 8, 2005
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  8. Annika1980

    Annika1980 Guest

    had trouble with my 550ex and jessops own off camera sync cord. Do
    canon do
    one of their own?
    ====================

    Yes. It is called "Off Camera Shoe Cord 2."
     
    Annika1980, Apr 8, 2005
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  9. Annika1980

    Annika1980 Guest

    The focusing distance is only a few inches (or less) from the lens.

    Well, that's probably because you haven't left P mode yet.
    =================

    Hey Brainiac, I'd be interested to know how getting off of "P" mode is
    gonna help you get more DOF with this lens. As usual, you're just
    talkin out your ass.
     
    Annika1980, Apr 8, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    The 5X remains 5X as far as the sensor is concerned. A 2 mm long insect
    will render 10mm on film and 10mm on the digital sensor.

    On paper, if you blow up the full image to (eg) 10 inches, then there
    would be a further apparent magnification, however, as the smaller
    digital sensor image would have to be magnified more to get there.

    Cheers,
    Alan


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    Alan Browne Guest

    Have fun. Lighting will be hard without the macro flashes.
    Improvization includes strapping a couple regular flashes to the lens.

    Cheers,
    Alan

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    That_Rich Guest

    Or using *gasp* natural lighting.

    RP©
     
    That_Rich, Apr 8, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Natural lighting with a 1:1 macro is not easy in some cases.

    With 5:1 it's going to be difficult in most cases.

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    MXP Guest

    A lot of red and green/blue color fringle on the edge on the letters?

    You think this would have happend with a Nikkor? :)

    Max
     
    MXP, Apr 8, 2005
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    That_Rich Guest

    At 5:1, electromagnetic shutters, high speed flash and laser triggers
    are the ticket....
    ......or not ;)

    A book titled _Close Up_ by John Brackenbury has some great examples
    of the technique described above. He also has a technique for
    panoramic macro landscapes which are awesome. He uses a 3mm video lens
    mounted on a bellows unit. Interposed between it and the camera is a
    reverse mounted standard 35mm lens which acts as a magnifier for the
    image projecting from the rear of the video lens giving almost
    unlimited DOF.... unreal stuff. Truly a bugs eye view. He also tried
    literally using the lens of a bugs eye for the projection medium.
    Quite a talented macro photographer and optic designer.

    RP©
     
    That_Rich, Apr 8, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Sounds like he's totally insane. He must be on to something.

    Cheers,
    Alan

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    Alan Browne, Apr 8, 2005
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  17. That's right, you "lose" 6 full stops, and that's before closing down
    the aperture to something like f/16 or smaller for a tiny bit of depth
    off field (0.12mm).

    Bart
     
    Bart van der Wolf, Apr 8, 2005
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    Ken Tough, Apr 8, 2005
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    Ken Tough Guest

    Surely increasing the fstop still increases the DOF (even if it's
    just from "diddly-squat" to "piss all"). For your static subject,
    I'd have thought "Aperture priority" mode to be more useful.
     
    Ken Tough, Apr 8, 2005
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    Alan Browne Guest

    I think at these distance manual is the best way. Once an exposure is
    found for that light the exp. won't change as the subject area changes
    (subject movement).

    MO.

    Cheers,
    Alan

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