Discussion in 'Photography' started by Alan Browne, Mar 16, 2013.

  1. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

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    PeterN Guest

    PeterN, Mar 17, 2013
  4. Curious why you say they would NOT do well in a camera club? Just
    Usenet Account, Mar 17, 2013
  5. Alan Browne

    PeterN Guest

    Many judges would say: the hot spots are distracting; parts of the
    creatures are outside the image area, etc.
    Please note the above is not my impression, but is intended to be a
    commentary of the weaknesses of camera club judging. I have often said
    that Cartier-Bresson, would not do well in camera club competitions.
    PeterN, Mar 17, 2013
  6. Alan Browne

    Rob Guest

    Agree with your comments, camera club judges are full of themselves on
    the night, nit picking, they can't correctly evaluate the elements of an
    image and ridicule the content. As an example some time ago had a image
    evaluated and the comment was the horizon was not straight, funny about
    that it had lens curvature. Another example was architecture, where
    verticals should be vertical or over over emphasised, looking up at a
    tall building, the judge picked on one as not vertical which should have
    been, but there were 2 others out of whack as well, but no criticism of
    the fact but given awards!

    I have even pointed out plagiarism of images and part images, to the
    committee, ripped off the web, and they have condoned the use of such
    images, to the extent where the image has been best in section. I was
    being a pain in the arse to them.

    I'm sure other images being presented in competitions, were not setup or
    photographed by the author, as they didn't show a consistent standard of
    such photographer compare with there other submissions.

    What does amaze me is the judges will critique an image but can't
    explain why or give their opinion how to rectify the perceived fault.

    One particular night there was this judge who insisted using "Um" all
    the time, this irritates me as its them catching up with their thoughts,
    anyhow this was so annoying that I started to count the number of time
    she used "Um" and the intervals between. Results basically, 700, at 20
    second intervals, yep - over 3 hour period.
    What a long boring night that turned out to be.

    Camera clubs live in there own little world and stay in a rut.
    Rob, Mar 17, 2013
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    The more I read about other people's views and comments about their
    camera clubs, the more I feel that the camera club I belong to is
    doing competitions the right way. I don't always agree with the
    judge's critiques, or always agree with the first place choices, but
    the judges do a good job of explaining why a photo is rated high or
    low and what should have been done if the rating is low.

    Maybe it's because it's a large club with an average attendance of 75
    to 100 members so the pool to draw from for the in-house judges (two
    in-house and one outsider for each competition night) or maybe it's
    because the judges are given the submissions several days before the
    competition night and thus have time to prepare their critiques.

    The only real objection I have to the competitions is that submissions
    are not required to be "fresh". So, instead of shooting to the
    mandate, most members pull shots from their archives and the image
    might have been taken several years ago.
    Tony Cooper, Mar 17, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    Great stuff!!

    I have two apps for my iPad, 500px and the Guardian "Eyewitness" apps
    and I have been immersing myself in some of the amazing images
    presented in both.
    500px provides shots of incredible quality in their app, including
    these macros;
    < >
    < >

    "Eyewitness" runs a continuous free gallery of 50 images, adding new
    shot and removing the oldest each day. They offer a different access
    for a subscription;
    < Jan 25, 10 54 34 PM.png
    Savageduck, Mar 17, 2013
  9. Alan Browne

    Savageduck Guest

    "Eyewitness" has a 100 shot continuous feed gallery.
    Savageduck, Mar 17, 2013
  10. Alan Browne

    Rob Guest

    Your club must be doing something right to have so many in attendance
    making for an interesting participation for its members

    What you are saying seems quite good and the combination of judging
    keeps the standard very high.

    Giving judges submissions in advance is an excellent way as the judges
    are not over whelmed by so much to comment on.
    Rob, Mar 17, 2013
  11. So you're basically saying you should have to re-shoot your
    own best shoots if you want them to participate?

    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Mar 17, 2013
  12. Alan Browne

    Tony Cooper Guest

    Yes, advance preparation is a good feature for judges. Entries are
    submitted online one week in advance. They are then sent to the
    judges in password-protected files and the judges review them at home,
    grade them, and prepare their critiques. I notice, during the
    critiques, that judges read from their pre-prepared notes. Scores are
    an average of the three judge's individual scores. Each entry is
    commented on by only one judge (rotating through the three), but the
    other two can add a short comment if they want to.

    All competitions are flawed in that all judges have personal biases
    and preferences for certain elements in a photo. Judging is
    subjective. But, the prize money for first place is a $25 gift card
    from a sponsor, so it's not that big a deal other than the
    Tony Cooper, Mar 17, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    If I took pictures like that, I would unretire in a New York minute.
    Are they yours?

    I have problems believing that they were taken with an iPad.
    PeterN, Mar 17, 2013
  14. Alan Browne

    PeterN Guest

    On 3/17/2013 12:50 AM, Rob wrote:

    Not all. Just some of the judges. My club has 60 members. On competition
    nights we average about 40. On other nights, attendance varies, but
    rarely less than 30. We have filed trips every Sunday. about 15 to 20
    show up. Some just come for breakfast, where we get into discussions.
    About two weeks ago two of our members gave a presentation of shooting
    butterflies. Today, we went to a butterfly exhibit. (Yes it was
    indoors.) On my recent trip to FL, I was kept busy almost every day,
    shooting with members oaf my club.
    PeterN, Mar 17, 2013
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    Tony Cooper Guest

    A second club I belong to has about 40-50 members. I joined them
    yesterday for a field trip to a car show. I'll stop and take a shot
    or two at a car show, but I'm not a big fan. Too many people standing
    around the cars, the sun is never right for the shot I want, and I've
    never been able to get my circular polarizer to do its thing.

    I went for the social aspect. Eight of us had a meal together and
    chatted about photography. This smaller club is more social than the
    larger club I belong to, but the larger club also has field trips.

    Here's why I don't like car shows:

    All the people, the background, and the signs in the window of this
    Packard. I do shoot some close-up of bits and pieces of cars to avoid
    the problem. This one's a 1939 Ford:
    Tony Cooper, Mar 17, 2013
  16. Alan Browne

    Savageduck Guest

    I wish!!
    ....but I certainly find them inspiring.
    Nowhere did I say they were taken with an iPad.
    500px has an app for ipad, iPhone, & Android devices which gives you
    access to their galleries.
    < >

    ....and The Guardian has their "Eyewitness" app with free and
    subscription options ( I use the free version) which has a gallery of
    100 shots. A new shot is added, and the oldest is removed daily.
    < >

    On the iPad with the "Retina" display, the impact of those images is
    quite amazing. What I posted were screen captures from my iPad.

    If I recall, you have an iPhone, get the 500px app and do some
    exploring. Obviously having the larger display of the iPad is nice, but
    you will have access to their "popular", Editor's Choice", "Upcoming",
    & "Fresh" galleries. Enjoy.
    Savageduck, Mar 17, 2013
  17. Alan Browne

    Trevor Guest

    The real question is why you would bother then rather than get out and take
    pictures for your own pleasure, and/or paying clients, rather than approval
    from stupid camera club judges?

    Trevor, Mar 18, 2013
  18. Alan Browne

    Trevor Guest

    Why should that matter? A seperate comp for a joint walkabout shooting
    session should cover that where people only get to shoot the same subjects
    in the same time, for those who prefer that limitation. Frankly I find the
    whole idea of such comps rather narcissistic and pointless, but each to
    their own.

    Trevor, Mar 18, 2013
  19. Alan Browne

    Tony Cooper Guest

    The idea of a mandate is to encourage the photographer to find
    something to shoot that he/she might not otherwise shoot and/or to
    look at a scene to find something in it that he/she might not
    otherwise see. It should expand the photographer's thinking.

    Putting a time restraint on it, stirs the photographer to do the above
    now instead of going through a couple of thousand archive shots that
    might fit the mandate.
    To the best of my knowledge, there are no Aborigines that are members
    of the camera club I belong to.
    That's OK. Those that aren't interested, or those who aren't willing
    to have their efforts judged by others, are not pressed to join in.
    Tony Cooper, Mar 18, 2013
  20. Alan Browne

    Trevor Guest the direction of the mandate, rather than the direction of the
    photographers choosing. Can't see the point, but if you are happy, sure
    doesn't bother me.

    Am I supposed to laugh?

    Exactly, and neither are those who dislike the judges
    motives/ability/comments/agenda, or any other reason/complaint given so far.

    Trevor, Mar 18, 2013
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