Market shares for 35mm SLR pro or semi-pro

Discussion in '35mm Cameras' started by Ruman, Oct 3, 2005.

  1. Ruman

    Tony Polson Guest

    It used to be OK when Rockwell mostly limited his comments to
    equipment he had actually used. Nowadays Rockwell feels free to
    comment on equipment he has never seen. Also, he used to imply he was
    a professional photographer when in fact he is just another amateur
    with an interest in equipment.
    Try Google Groups.

    ;-)
     
    Tony Polson, Oct 3, 2005
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    Guest Guest

    All that I seem to get from google with your name is stuff about trolls.
    I have a friend in Austin who does sound for film and once had the chance
    to work with Rockwell a few years back. He seems to get paid enough for
    his work to be a pro and by definition he sells his photos so that is
    also pro level be it part time or not. Let me know when you reach his
    level.
     
    Guest, Oct 3, 2005
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    no_name Guest

    and so on ...

    Fact 11. It don't matter how good yer equipment is if you're a putz.

    Owning a Ferrari don't make you Nuvolari. The most expensive camera in
    the world don't make you Stieglitz or Adams.

    You've got to have the vision, and you've got to be able to express that
    vision. Film, digital ... it don' matter. It's only a tool.

    Photography didn't kill painting, digital ain't gonna kill film.
     
    no_name, Oct 4, 2005
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    no_name Guest

    110's been gettin' a little scarce lately, along with 126 & 127 film.

    .... and anybody know a good source of film for this one?

    http://www.ryanbuck.com/Cameras/details/disc 3600.htm


    ;-D
     
    no_name, Oct 4, 2005
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    Skip M Guest

    Faster? Check the D2x. Better? Rather "eye of the beholder"ish. More
    reliable? Check 20D lockups in the early releases, continuing flash
    problems.
    A lot of people still shoot it, we do, with 4 digital cameras in the house,
    and two more on the way.
    Ilford, among others, still makes very good BW paper

    Yes it can, I see a lot of Nikons out there, and, if it can't be beat, why
    am I buying 2 5Ds? The 20D's flash operation sucks, and a 1.6x crop makes
    my 16-35 f2.8L into a 26-56 f2.8L, really useful for those large family
    shots, or in really tight spaces. Not.

    I was
    Or the Nikon D2x, 12mp and $4000. Or the 5D, 12mp and $3300.
    I'll concede point, price uber alles.
    ? Oly E300 is pretty good, too.
    No worse than any of the non 1 series Canons.
     
    Skip M, Oct 4, 2005
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    Sander Vesik Guest

    Kodak is obsolete. So what?
    Possibly. Given that wedding photography is crappy and boring and
    one of the most stupid things to spend your photo taking time on,
    who cares?
     
    Sander Vesik, Oct 4, 2005
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    Guest Guest

    Ouch!!!! It may be boring but some people love it and it sure beats 9-5
    if you can make a living at it. I know a lot of musicians who have a
    knack (no pun) for playing standards and cover tunes. I think is sucks
    but everytime I see that they make there rent doing it and don't have to
    slug away in the rat race I feel like they are on to something.
     
    Guest, Oct 4, 2005
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    Skip M Guest

    It isn't crappy, boring or stupid to the people getting married. And we
    actually enjoy it! We've made some friends with whom we share a bond not
    usually available to people.
     
    Skip M, Oct 4, 2005
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    DD (Rox) Guest

    Ah yes, the sports arena. That's about the only area they seem to
    dominate in, but in my experience it has nothing to do with their
    equipment being any better than Nikon's.
     
    DD (Rox), Oct 4, 2005
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    DD (Rox) Guest

    Bollocks. The D2x is faster and more reliable than all the EOS cameras.
    I'll remember to tell that to the numerous outlets I see that are still
    selling it.
    What does B/W print paper have to do with 35mm film that can be scanned
    and printed on modern paper?
    Right. How do you get around the flash problems? What about the loss of
    detail at high ISO values? Firmware issues? Back-focussing? Grips that
    fail?

    What Nikon has over Canon, is the fact that their products work better,
    last longer and belong to a photographic system that Canon can only
    dream about competing with.
    Best on the market? No, just the most expensive...
    Then why is my friend, who is a pro sports shooter, so unhappy with the
    speed of the 20D? So much so that he would prefer to go back to owning a
    1D with half the resolution.
    It's a joke, right? funny, most magazines I have read put the D70 and
    D70s above it.
    Que? What extremes? Cold or hot? t'll probably do better than any toy
    camera made by Canon. If you want to go into extreme conditions maybe
    you should take a camera designed for such conditions, no?
    Right, I'll keep that in mind.
    Fact 11 - you haven't got a clue.
     
    DD (Rox), Oct 4, 2005
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    Ruman Guest

    Thanks though, to you and others for replying me question.
    I know this might infuse more debate but I actually asked him, my
    friend, what he defines as semi-pro. According to him, "semi pro.. spot
    metering, moderate highspeed shutter (1/4000s min), moderate durable
    construction( metal construction), moderate flash synchro..(1/250 min),
    battery pack( vertical grip)" etc. are semi-pro quantifiers. And for
    "pro - spot metering, high speed shutter ( at least as high as 8000th
    of second), mirror lockup, durable construction (wheather sealed), high
    speed flash synchro( 1/8000 s) ..vertical horizontal grip and
    shutter..self diagnostic shutter, temperature proof shutter, changeable
    fucus screen..ETC..and lot more.."
    Yes, I am aware of the fact and already mentioned that in the op. I was
    wondering as the general consumer market share data shows Nikon at #07
    with such a small share - does that necessarily reflect a similar
    picture for the professional photographers community or not.
    Unfortunately, I have not got the answer yet, this thread has turned
    more into a Nikon vs. Canon or Digital vs. Film debate.
     
    Ruman, Oct 4, 2005
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    ian lincoln Guest

    I had a deliriously happy couple round my house the other week. I had 60
    enprints with numbered labels on the back within 24hours. They were able to
    take the shots with them on the honey moon. I'm also editing and adding a
    soundtrack to the amateur video that was shot., burning onto dvd. I can
    also burn ntsc format for their friends in newzealand. Basically the sun
    shines out of my arse. If the bride had hugged me one more time....<add
    your own punchline> The groom was pretty chuffed too.
     
    ian lincoln, Oct 4, 2005
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    Colin D Guest

    ian lincoln wrote:
    NTSC?? In New Zealand (NOT newzealand)>? Not likely, bro. Here we are
    Pal D, and if you give them NTSC tapes or dvd's they'll be somewhat
    pissed off when they try to play them.

    However, some of the later machines can handle both formats, but Pal D
    is the official.

    Colin D (NZ)
     
    Colin D, Oct 4, 2005
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    Skip M Guest

    Dallas, can't you pass up an opportunity to nick at Canon and anyone who
    likes them? You completely passed up the phrase immediately before that
    where I did state that Nikon still leads in medical, forensic and industrial
    apps and misinterpreted the phrase that Canon has a major share of fashion,
    sports, etc. None of what I said had anything to do with the quality of the
    equipment, the question, and my answer, was about market share.
    In the US, anyway, their digital cameras are coming to dominate the wedding
    and event photography industry. That may have something to do with the
    quality, but that's not what this thread was about.
     
    Skip M, Oct 4, 2005
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    Skip M Guest

    Doesn't that response make you feel good? :) We've had a lot of those, it
    makes the hours spent worthwhile.
     
    Skip M, Oct 4, 2005
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    DD (Rox) Guest

    Hell no!
    Sorry Skip, I know you are a balanced photographer and it wasn't
    anything to do with you. I feel it is my civic duty to point out
    mistruths about Canon dominance where I see them though.
    The problem with threads like this is that they imply that because Canon
    may have a larger share of a particular market that they are inherently
    better than anything else.

    Of course this is simply not true, otherwise we would all be driving
    Toyotas.

    All it means is that their marketing department is doing a good job.
     
    DD (Rox), Oct 4, 2005
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  17. And marketting can't sell shit ... the product has to be better than
    that. In other words, you can't give all the credit to marketting.
     
    Thomas T. Veldhouse, Oct 4, 2005
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    Skip M Guest

    Well, here's one way marketing can sell "shit." I'm a new photographer,
    looking at DSLR bodies. I find out, through advertising, that the majority
    of pro sports photogs use Canon. I want to be one, some day. So, I buy a
    RebelXT with a couple of lenses. Later, I upgrade to an L or two. Then I
    decide I want to really get a pro spec body. Am I going to dump my Canon L
    lenses to buy another brand? Not without one heck of an incentive!
     
    Skip M, Oct 4, 2005
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  19. Remember that 50% of the people have IQs under 100: Is market share a
    good basis for choice?
     
    Chris Loffredo, Oct 4, 2005
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    Tony Polson Guest


    Tell us when you rise to that level.

    I hope I will never need to stoop that low.

    ;-)
     
    Tony Polson, Oct 4, 2005
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