Maxtor 250 GB drives - are they a bad idea?

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Keith Clark, Jul 16, 2004.

  1. Keith Clark

    Keith Clark Guest

    My Maxtor 250 GB drive with fluid bearings failed after only 3 or so
    months, if even that. One day I booted the DVR and the "D:" partition
    just wasn't formatted any more. Norton Disk Doctor found and fixed over
    263,000 bad sectors but of course recordings just wouldn't play well
    after that and re-formatting it took over 6 hours, after which it was
    still performing badly so I replaced it with a WD 250 GB.

    I've seen some bad customer reviews on Newegg but who knows about those.

    Has anyone here come across anything indicating a widespread problem
    with these Maxtor 250 GB drives?
     
    Keith Clark, Jul 16, 2004
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  2. Keith Clark

    SimMike- Guest

    Does your DVR have active cooling on the hard drive? The reason I ask is many
    TIVOs, etc, don't have a fan blowing directly on the hard drive. This is why
    they generally use lower heat 5400 rpm hard drives. Since I think high heat is
    one thing that really hurts hard drive reliability, putting a 7200 rpm drive in
    these tightly enclosed poorly ventilated DVRs is asking for trouble.

    If I ever upgrade my TIVO to a bigger drive, I am going to try and rig a little
    fan to blow over the drive. I'll use a power splitter from the hard drive power
    connector to supply power.
     
    SimMike-, Jul 16, 2004
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  3. In the same vein, has anybody had trouble with external fanless enclosures
    overheating?
    Is aluminum construction sufficient to cool?
     
    Robert Morein, Jul 16, 2004
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    Neal Guest

    I

    It wasn't 250gb, but I had a Maxtor drive die too....lost everything. It
    was under warranty so they sent me another one. After a year, the
    replacement died too. I vowed to never buy Maxtor again.
     
    Neal, Jul 16, 2004
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  5. Heat kills drives.
    The fluid dynamic bearings are sustained by an oxidation resistant fluid.
    The speed of oxidation increases exponentially as the temperature of the
    drive increases.
    Above some temperature, the life of the fluid is very short.

    FDB bearings are very rugged if killed, so this is likely to be your
    problem.

    Blow air on the drives, and they will last 100X as long.
     
    Robert Morein, Jul 16, 2004
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  6. Keith Clark

    AnthonyR Guest

    Neal,
    Unfortunately that's what mechanical things do, they eventually wear out and
    break,
    A HD is a mechanical device, the last mechanical piece in a computer
    actually, until we develop
    big ram drives or living cell drives etc.
    Have you ever had a car need to be taken to a mechanic for service?
    Did you ever start telling people, I will never buy a ford again cause it
    need repair?

    It happens, HD fail, they all do, if you're lucky and keep them cool and
    they might go a lot
    time before failing but they all wear out and crash eventually, that's why
    we need to back up data.

    And when you buy a drive , that's why they sometimes give you a 3 year
    warranty, much better than say a
    digital camera or dvd player, where you're lucky to get 6 months or 1 year
    warranty.

    I've had HD's go on me over the years from every single co. so I learned
    this the hard way, it's not the brand.
    But you should buy a brand that stands by their product with a long warrant
    and honors the warranty.
    Maxtor and Western Digital both do that well.

    AnthonyR

    AnthonyR.
     
    AnthonyR, Jul 16, 2004
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  7. I know that everything you say is fairly well-established, but my real life
    experience has been the opposite. I must have had 20 drives over the years
    and one failed (and it got noisy first, so I got all my data off it.)

    It is true that I upgrade my equipment, along with the HD's, relatively
    often. So, about 5 drives I have laying around are like 1 GB and 2 GB
    drives that simply have no use at this point. I do use my computers fairly
    heavily.

    I too will cherish the day when moving parts are gone from computers, but in
    my experience HD's have been ridiculously reliable. All my data losses have
    been various other media, such as bad optical media, and even drives and
    software.
     
    Charles Novins, Jul 17, 2004
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    Tarkus Guest

    Interesting. I've been using Maxtor since my Atari days, and have never
    had a single problem. I'm sure every brand has horror stories, though.
     
    Tarkus, Jul 17, 2004
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  9. EVERY single Maxtor drive I had in my systems in the last 15 years failed
    after two years maximum (several 80GB, 120 GB and 160 GB drives).
    Since I quit using Maxtor altogether I never had any problems any more.
    My two Western Digital 250 GB drives are working fine since last summer.
    Martin
     
    Martin Doppelbauer, Jul 17, 2004
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  10. Keith Clark

    SimMike- Guest

    EVERY single Western Digital drive I have used has either failed or developed a
    bad whine after a couple of years. Maxtor have been rock steady reliable for me.
    I've bought and installed probably 30 Maxtor drives over the past few years and
    everyone of them is still chugging along just fine. Some of these are four or
    five years old. Western Digital, IBM and Seagate have all given me more trouble
    than Maxtor.
     
    SimMike-, Jul 18, 2004
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    Pete D Guest

    Just goes to show you that different people have different experiences. I
    have ahad a an IBM and two Quantum drives fail, using all Seagate now and
    have had no failures in those. The WD drives that I have seen have been
    fairly noisy compared with the Saegates.
     
    Pete D, Jul 18, 2004
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    Will Dormann Guest

    If you are using a fanless enclosure, you should not have a 7200RPM
    drive in it. Unless you plan to only use the drive occasionally (turn
    it on, copy files to it, turn it off), the drive will overheat and will
    be very likely to fail prematurely.


    -WD
     
    Will Dormann, Jul 18, 2004
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    Donald Link Guest

    That us funny since my experience with Western Digatal has been not
    good and Maxtor flawless.
     
    Donald Link, Jul 18, 2004
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    John Doe Guest

    Well, I have/had one of their external 200GB drives and considering what the
    blasted thing cost they were too cheap to put in a $3 cooling fan in the
    case. The result was a hard drive that go so hot it not only melted the
    external case it fried itself.

    If they can't be trusted to ensure their devices don't overheat, then why
    should I trust that anything else they do isn't done on the cheap or
    half-assed? To make matters worse when I contacted support about this over
    heating and melt down I asked why they hadn't included a $3 fan in the case
    and the technical support twit told me I shouldn't be so belligerent and
    hung up.

    I don't know about anyone else but these are not products or support
    professionals that deserve our money or consideration. I wouldn't touch a
    Maxtor product if they gave it to me.

    John
     
    John Doe, Jul 18, 2004
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  15. I made my enclosure from plywood. The best part is it's NEC compliant.
     
    Robert Morein, Jul 19, 2004
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    Robert Morein, Jul 19, 2004
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    Ron Guest

    I've owned a Maxtor 200GB 'One Touch' drive for several months now.
    So far it has been reliable, working well off both USB and firewire
    ports, on two separate computers.

    -- Ron
     
    Ron, Jul 19, 2004
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    John Doe Guest

    Have you put your hand on top of it after it has been running for a few
    hours? It is hotter than hell and will likely kill the drive and melt the
    case. A $3 fan would have taken care of the problem.

    John
     
    John Doe, Jul 19, 2004
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  19. **No. ONLY use external enclosures which have fans. Alternatively, you could
    aim a fan at a fanless enclosure.
     
    Trevor Wilson, Jul 19, 2004
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  20. Keith Clark

    FredBillie Guest

    << From: "John Doe"
    Date: Mon, Jul 19, 2004 1:53 PM
    Message-id: <%MUKc.3127$>

    Have you put your hand on top of it after it has been running for a few
    hours? It is hotter than hell and will likely kill the drive and melt the
    case. A $3 fan would have taken care of the problem.

    JohnI have a Maxtor 250 and it is only slightly warm to the touch after running
    many hours.

    Maybe positioning it on end in the provided cradle provides more surface to the
    air for cooling.
     
    FredBillie, Jul 20, 2004
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