Microphone question

Discussion in 'Video Cameras' started by G Hardy, Dec 6, 2006.

  1. G Hardy

    G Hardy Guest

    I may end up filming the school concert tomorrow - and due to positioning I
    want to stand at the back and pick up the audio using a minidisc recorder at
    the front. I can either plug the microphone into the mike socket, or put a
    little battery power thing on it and run it through the line in jack.

    Apart from the slight drain on the battery when using the plug-in power of
    the mike alone, is there anything to be gained by going for line in instead?
    Is it better quality?
    G Hardy, Dec 6, 2006
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  2. I'm not all that patient when it comes to editing this kind of thing -
    maybe you are. I've used a mini disk to record the sound and ended up
    using the soundtrack from the camera as it took so long to line up the

    Couldn't you use an external mike on a long lead to the camera? I've
    done that in he past.

    Margaret Willmer, Dec 6, 2006
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  3. Despite external provision of plug-in power, the mic will not deliver
    Line level.
    Laurence Payne, Dec 7, 2006
  4. G Hardy

    Just D Guest

    Somebody wrote here a while ago that he was using a simple cheap device
    producing a single click like sound to sync the sound tracks and it worked
    good during editing. I liked this idea and kept it for my further works.
    Maybe it can help?

    Just D.

    "Laurence Payne"
    Just D, Dec 7, 2006
  5. G Hardy

    BlahDiBlah Guest

    unless the "little battery power thing" is a pre-amp, of course...
    BlahDiBlah, Dec 7, 2006
  6. G Hardy

    BlahDiBlah Guest

    From me - just one thing to bear in mind... if your mic doesn't have a cable
    (i.e. plugs straight into the mic socket) you will pick up the mechanical
    noise of the MD'a motor. I bought a such a Sony mic a few years ago for MD
    recording. I took it back after it's first use.

    If the mic has a suitable cable, this won't be an issue...

    BlahDiBlah, Dec 7, 2006
  7. G Hardy

    G Hardy Guest

    Thanks, Margaret.

    A long lead is out of the question, but I'm always doing multi-cam edits, so
    synchronising sound isn't that big a deal.

    What software do you use? I'll put together some hints and tips over
    G Hardy, Dec 7, 2006
  8. G Hardy

    G Hardy Guest

    Thanks for the reply, Laurence.

    To someone whose audio knowledge is extremely lacking - what does that
    actually mean in practical terms? In either case, I'll adjust the record
    level as best I can.
    G Hardy, Dec 7, 2006
  9. G Hardy

    G Hardy Guest

    Believe it or not, I do actually have a clapperboard!


    Sad, eh?
    G Hardy, Dec 7, 2006
  10. G Hardy

    G Hardy Guest

    I don't think it is. It's a little box that's in-line with the mike signal.
    It's not much bigger than the AA battery it contains.
    G Hardy, Dec 7, 2006
  11. G Hardy

    G Hardy Guest

    Thanks Gareth.

    It's on a cable - and if I use the battery pack and plug it into linein, I
    get about 15' of cable in total, so motor noise is unlikely to be a

    G Hardy, Dec 7, 2006
  12. I'm often surprised just how good those little Sony mics are. I hope
    the replacement was just as good. Did you consider making an
    extension cable?
    Laurence Payne, Dec 7, 2006

  13. Depends what your "little battery power thing" is. If it merely
    provides the plug-in power normally supplied from the mic socket, the
    mic will still be delivering a mic level signal. Line In expects a
    voltage several hundred times stronger. Not suitable.

    Or maybe it's a preamp or mixer. Tell us?
    Laurence Payne, Dec 7, 2006
  14. You're still not telling us much! What's it called? Why did you buy
    it? What for?
    Laurence Payne, Dec 7, 2006
  15. G Hardy

    Jukka Aho Guest

    Well, clapperboard could be a status symbol if you obtain a sufficiently
    advanced one. :)

    These stills are from Ayumi Hamasaki's music video "Evolution":


    The video itself can be seen here:

    Jukka Aho, Dec 7, 2006
  16. G Hardy

    BlahDiBlah Guest

    Indeed, apart from the grrr, kchnk,grrr noise every 40 seconds, the mic
    produced a really good full,clean result.
    True, I could have made an extension cable... for whatever reason, it didn't
    cross my mind?!
    Hmmm, thinking about it now, Sony offered a few similar mic options, the
    others complete with cable, and I felt like I needed the most compact (least
    fiddly) one. Which also had the "best" spec., IIRC.

    BlahDiBlah, Dec 7, 2006
  17. I've got Premiere Elements 2. I've used version 1 for multi camera
    edits so I expect that 2 will be the same.

    I have recorded using 3 cameras. If I line up the tapes at the
    beginning after awhile they go out of sync - I assume that is something
    to do with tape stretch or just each camera being slightly different -
    but it is fairly erratic. I discovered that it is easier to line up the
    tracks using the audio tracks - the clapper board approach.

    I have one to do now of a play in fairly short scenes. I think it best
    to do the scenes individually and make avis of each one then put the lot
    together at the end. I've got to work out though if it is best to use
    the sound track from just one camera and fit the video around it.

    Any hints for syncronising such things would be greatly appreciated
    though. All help very welcome. Many thanks.

    Margaret Willmer, Dec 7, 2006
  18. G Hardy

    G Hardy Guest

    LOL - a digital clapperboard - seems like another case of technology for
    technology's sake - a bit like the digital substitution boards they use in
    football these days.

    Mine makes the ones used in Charlie Chaplin's time look expensive.
    G Hardy, Dec 8, 2006
  19. G Hardy

    Jukka Aho Guest

    And wireless, too!
    Well, it's a Japanese music video, after all. At least the singer wasn't
    a robot.
    Jukka Aho, Dec 8, 2006
  20. G Hardy

    G Hardy Guest

    It's a Vivanco EM216 - cheap off ebay. The idea was to stick it in the
    pocket of the groom and use a tieclip mike to record the service to MD. As
    it turned out, the MD's adjustable recording level meant I could easily
    train it to even the quietest bride while having it attached to something
    less obtrusive (such as the carpet near where they kneel) and use the camera
    mike for the blown-out bits like the hymns.
    G Hardy, Dec 8, 2006
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