Minolta A1 theater photos

Discussion in 'Minolta' started by Browntimdc, Dec 15, 2003.

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    Browntimdc Guest

    I took some photos at a dance performance:

    http://home.flash.net/~brownt/a1/

    They were taken at ISO 800 and yes, they're noisey. I included one
    processed with Neat Image and color corrected (camera was reverting to
    AWB from tungsten WB, but that's another story).

    Yes, I'm know that a DSLR would have taken better photos, but I was
    standing less than 5 feet from the audience and the sound of mirror slap
    would have been obnoxious. I asked an audience member if they could hear
    the camera during quiet passages and they couldn't. As it was the stage
    manager said he was wondering if I was really taking photos or just
    waiting for the magic moment that never came.

    I took about 330 photos in 45 minutes on each of two nights. I was
    limited by my 3 256MB CF cards. The li-ion battery lasted the whole
    performance each night. Didn't need to use the spare.


    Tim

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    "The strongest human instinct is to impart information,
    and the second strongest is to resist it."

    Kenneth Graham
     
    Browntimdc, Dec 15, 2003
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    Phil Winter Guest

    http://home.flash.net/~brownt/a1/
    I think you didn't use the right NeatImage settings. I took your original
    pictures and could successfully remove the most disturbing noise. Of course
    you won't get a clean image out of ISO800 like you do with 100 or 200. But
    it's quite good noise removed without loosing sharpness und much better your
    filtered one. Check your version or settings to improve quality a lot.
     
    Phil Winter, Dec 15, 2003
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    Browntimdc Guest

    I used Neat Image version 1.1

    I just bought Noise Ninja and put images in that folder filtered with NN.

    Tim

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    "The strongest human instinct is to impart information,
    and the second strongest is to resist it."

    Kenneth Graham
     
    Browntimdc, Dec 15, 2003
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    Browntimdc Guest

    (HRosita) wrote in
    They were taken at jpeg standard quality. I didn't want to worry about the
    buffer filling when I was shooting in rapid succesion. Anyway, I still
    filled my three 256MB cards in 45 minutes.
    Tim

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    "The strongest human instinct is to impart information,
    and the second strongest is to resist it."

    Kenneth Graham
     
    Browntimdc, Dec 15, 2003
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    Phil Winter Guest

    I just bought Noise Ninja and put images in that folder filtered with
    NN.
    I had a detailed look on both before I bought NI! I only can advise that:
    better algorithm and very fast in version 3.1. Consider the pro version, as
    this provides the extremly useful batch processing, where you can denoise a
    complete directory or many picture at once unattended.
     
    Phil Winter, Dec 16, 2003
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    Mike Guest


    Hello Tim,

    Since there were some comparison in other thread about A1 and 300D
    I thought I post some reallife images for comparison here:

    [Natural History Museum in London]
    Triceratops, ISO800, 1/4 sec, NI
    http://www.pbase.com/image/23742001

    Cortex Model, ISO800, 1/50 sec, NI
    http://www.pbase.com/image/23742006

    Raptor, ISO800, 1/13sec, NI.
    http://www.pbase.com/image/23742003

    Please don't feel offended since I'm not bashing your camera/images -
    just like to point out what is the difference in ISO800
    with these two cameras. Someone said that noise is not
    important for daily-usage and I have to disagree.

    -mika
     
    Mike, Dec 16, 2003
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    Phil Winter Guest

    [Natural History Museum in London]
    You don't have to go ISO800 with the A1, because with AntiShake you can do
    it easily at ISO100 or 200.
     
    Phil Winter, Dec 16, 2003
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    Browntimdc Guest

    NN is much faster and the interface is simpler. The company supplies
    profiles that work well.

    Tim

    --

    "The strongest human instinct is to impart information,
    and the second strongest is to resist it."

    Kenneth Graham
     
    Browntimdc, Dec 16, 2003
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    Browntimdc Guest

    I'm not offended but I don't think you've shown me anything I don't
    already know.

    Also, could you stand within 5 feet of someone in a quiet theater with
    your Rebel and take photos without them hearing you? Could you follow the
    action from full stage group shots at 28mm to close ups at 200mm without
    pausing to change lenses?

    When Canon comes out with a DSLR with a pellicle mirror and a full line
    of fast EF-S lenses then I'll bite.

    Tim

    --

    "The strongest human instinct is to impart information,
    and the second strongest is to resist it."

    Kenneth Graham
     
    Browntimdc, Dec 16, 2003
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    Browntimdc Guest

    Check this out:

    http://www.dphoto.us/forum/showthread.php?t=541

    Tim

    --

    "The strongest human instinct is to impart information,
    and the second strongest is to resist it."

    Kenneth Graham
     
    Browntimdc, Dec 16, 2003
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    Ed Ruf Guest

    No offense, but you did state you used V1.1 of NI, that's from ages ago.
    The recently released V3.x has at least a 2x speed up from 2.x on my T-bird
    1.2Mhz box.

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    Ed Ruf, Dec 16, 2003
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    Mike Guest

    Good point. Although the mirror sound is very quiet it's more than
    with P&S. I haven't found it too noisy yet.
    Wide angle is difficult as we know but I could stack it with 28-300.
    However I prefer my 28-135 IS USM which I found to have
    perfect range for my purposes plus the IS allows me to shoot
    up to 1 sec handheld shots.

    -mika
     
    Mike, Dec 17, 2003
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    Mike Guest

    Antishake, moving objects?
     
    Mike, Dec 17, 2003
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    Dave Oddie Guest

    It is actually 1.6 for Canon dSLRs so the "wide end" is actually close to 45mm
    equivalence on 35mm.

    Not very wide at all. If that is meets someones needs, fair enough but it is
    really now a standard to tele zoom whereas on 35mm it is a wide to short tele
    zoom.

    If I had bought it for use with a 35mm film Canon I would not presumably have
    done so because I liked the range it gave (28-135) and Canon don't make a lens
    with equivalent fields of view for the 1.6 sensor size (which would be a 17mm -
    85mm lens).

    Dave
     
    Dave Oddie, Dec 17, 2003
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    Browntimdc Guest

    I tried the latest demo versions of NI and NN and NN is still faster.

    Tim

    --

    "The strongest human instinct is to impart information,
    and the second strongest is to resist it."

    Kenneth Graham
     
    Browntimdc, Dec 17, 2003
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    Browntimdc Guest

    That's a good point and is the reason I'm shooting dancers at ISO 800.

    Tim

    --

    "The strongest human instinct is to impart information,
    and the second strongest is to resist it."

    Kenneth Graham
     
    Browntimdc, Dec 17, 2003
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