Minolta Dualscan IV- Will 126 Slides damage the scanner Physically

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  1. Guest

    Guest Guest

    Help
    I have just purchased a Minolta Dualscan IV and have not even installed it
    yet. Most of my slides are 35mm but a few are 40 years old and came from a
    Kodak Instamatic camera that used 126 Film and some I think are 120 square
    Slides from an old twin reflex camera that take up all most all of the slide
    save for about 3/8 inch. I know that the scanner was not made for this
    older film and may not be able to scan the full slide and that is OK but
    will putting this slide in the scanner damage the optics or the scanner
    Physically?
    Thank you in advance for anyone's thought and guidance on this issue.
    Mike
     
    Guest, Dec 12, 2004
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  2. I haven't actually used this scanner but I can't imagine 126 slides or 127
    "super slides" damaging it as long as they aren't badly bent. If the slide
    fits into the same physical space as a 35-mm slide, it should go in and out
    just fine. This is based on my experience with other Minolta and Nikon
    scanners; I haven't actually used the one you mention.

    I rather wish 127 hadn't died out... I never got to use it.

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    Michael A. Covington, Dec 12, 2004
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    CSM1 Guest

    It won't hurt the scanner by putting 126 film into a 35 mm film strip
    holder.

    Here is a comparsion of 126 film to 35 mm film and 126 film in a Minolta
    Scandual IV film holder.
    http://www.carlmcmillan.com/Temp

    You can scan one frame of 126, move the 126 so that the next frame is fully
    in the frame area. Of the six frames that are available, at least one of the
    126 frames will show in one of the 35 mm frames with the top of the 126 film
    cut off by the 35 mm film holder.

    There is also a Kodak Catalog listing of 70 mm film for somebody else.
     
    CSM1, Dec 12, 2004
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    Paul J Gans Guest

    I have a Dualscan IV. The only way I know to scan slides
    is to put them into the special holder supplied with the
    scanner. These hold a 35mm mounted slide in either the
    horizontal or vertical positions.

    The holder, however, only allows a 35mm area to be exposed to
    the scanner.

    I doubt that 126 or 127 slides will fit into the scanner.
    Sorry, I don't have any that size so that I can't test it
    for sure.

    ---- Paul J. Gans
     
    Paul J Gans, Dec 13, 2004
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  5. They are in 2x2-inch cardboard mounts; that is also one of the options for
    mounting 110 slides.

    That's why I think there's no danger, although the scanner will not be able
    to see the whole frame of the 126 or 127 slide. In fact, the holder will
    guarantee that the slide or film doesn't bump into anything.
     
    Michael A. Covington, Dec 13, 2004
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    Mike King Guest

    35mm slides, image measures 24x36mm, slide mount is 2x2 inches.
    127 super slides, image is 38mmx38mm, slide mount is 2x2 inches.
    126 slides, image measures 26x26mm, slide mount is 2x2 inches.
    828 slides, image is 28x40mm, slide mount is 2x2 inches.

    You should be able to scan a 24x36mm maximum area from any of these formats
    on a 35mm scanner. A medium format scanner could scan the whole image.
     
    Mike King, Dec 13, 2004
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    Frank ess Guest

    I think you may get more than 24x36mm on some scanners: my primitive but
    effective HP PhotoSmart (second version) scanned the full image area of
    127 film (if that is what Instamatics used), much to my delight.
     
    Frank ess, Dec 13, 2004
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  8. Guest

    CSM1 Guest

    127 Film size varies with the number of frames on the roll.
    16 frames 1 13/16 x 1 9/16 inches
    12 frames 1 5/8 x 1 5/8 inches
    8 frames 1 5/8 x 2 1/2 inches.
    127 Super Slide, 2 x 2 mount. Aperture is 38 mm x 38 mm.

    126 (the Instamatic Cartridge)
    12 or 20 frames.
    Frame size is 28 mm x 28 mm. Negatives.
    When mounted in a 2 x 2 slide mount the Aperture is 26.5 mm x 26.5 mm.

    All of the above from Kodak photographic products 1977-1978. A catalog.

    If you have postive film mounted in a 2 x 2 slide mount, some film scanners
    will have no problem with whatever film that fits in a 2 x 2 mount.

    However my Minolta Scandual IV Slide holder has a 1 1/2 x 1 inch window for
    the image.
     
    CSM1, Dec 13, 2004
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    Frank ess Guest

    Thank you.

    I have a few more film strips of equal width, that take up very nearly
    the entire width of the film, square frames. They are out of reach right
    now. The fellow who sold them to me via eBay didn't remember what kind
    of camera he used. Here's a couple:
    http://www.fototime.com/BEF369D6F3A3264/orig.jpg

    http://www.fototime.com/F6E45CE734FC74A/orig.jpg



    Now that I look at the images, it seems to me they are not different
    from the (known) Instamatics I mentioned.
     
    Frank ess, Dec 13, 2004
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    Guest Guest

    To everyone that responded to this thread a big THANK YOU is in order. I
    have learned the hard way when you buy something it is good idea to go to
    the Products web site and read the FAQ's. Now for the bad news, So I
    installed the scanner Software first and did everything by the book and then
    guess what the scanner was DOA Dead On Arrival Or also Known as Out Of Box
    Failure the scanner would never see or feed the slide tray in. regardless
    how far I pushed it in. I tried both Slide and the Negative holder with no
    Luck. I purchased the scanner from a Super Store called MICRO-CENTER and
    as fate would Have it. I had purchased the last film scanner they had and I
    need to get all 436 slides Scanned, printed, and put on CD's before
    Christmas. So I traded it in for the most expensive flat bed scanner they
    had. An Epson 4870 Photo that has Digital ICE but as all most all the
    slides I have are 50 to 30 years old Kodachome I understand that ICE is
    worthless on them. I am sure that a Flat bed scanner is not as good as a
    true film scanner but as my grandparents took these slides, they were Far
    from Professional quality anyhow.

    Thanks for everyone's help

    P.S.

    If you were I and giving copies of slides to your family on CD what
    resolution, would you scan them at and would you keep the output at the
    original size or like 4x6 inch

    Again Thanks

    Mike
     
    Guest, Dec 15, 2004
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  11. Guest

    Guest Guest

    To everyone that responded to this thread a big THANK YOU is in order. I
    have learned the hard way when you buy something it is good idea to go to
    the Products web site and read the FAQ's. Now for the bad news, So I
    installed the scanner Software first and did everything by the book and then
    guess what the scanner was DOA Dead On Arrival Or also Known as Out Of Box
    Failure the scanner would never see or feed the slide tray in. regardless
    how far I pushed it in. I tried both Slide and the Negative holder with no
    Luck. I purchased the scanner from a Super Store called MICRO-CENTER and
    as fate would Have it. I had purchased the last film scanner they had and I
    need to get all 436 slides Scanned, printed, and put on CD's before
    Christmas. So I traded it in for the most expensive flat bed scanner they
    had. An Epson 4870 Photo that has Digital ICE but as all most all the
    slides I have are 50 to 30 years old Kodachome I understand that ICE is
    worthless on them. I am sure that a Flat bed scanner is not as good as a
    true film scanner but as my grandparents took these slides, they were Far
    from Professional quality anyhow.

    Thanks for everyone's help

    P.S.

    If you were I and giving copies of slides to your family on CD what
    resolution, would you scan them at and would you keep the output at the
    original size or like 4x6 inch

    Again Thanks

    Mike
     
    Guest, Dec 15, 2004
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  12. Guest

    Frank ess Guest

    Plenty of people have said here they get plenty good results on slides
    with that scanner.

    I seem to remember hearing the recent ICE versions do Old Kodachrome
    plenty good.

    Your family will love the results, I'm sure.
     
    Frank ess, Dec 15, 2004
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    Don Guest

    Unfortunately, not always... :-(

    LS-50 here, and 1980's Kodachromes still cause ICE to produce ugly
    artifacts around problem areas.

    On other film, ICE4 on the LS-50 has improved immensely when compared
    to ICE(1) on my old LS-30. ICE4 really is "magic".

    Don.
     
    Don, Dec 15, 2004
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    David Chien Guest

    as fate would Have it. I had purchased the last film scanner they had and I
    Another easier way as a reminder to those that don't bother to search
    www.deja.com for past posts on this topic is to throw the entire lot of
    slides at any local photo print shop that has a digital printer (eg.
    Noritsu), and simply have them scan it all onto CDs. It'll probably
    cost you $0.50-1.00 per frame in bulk, but it's fast (they've got far
    faster scanners that do ICE than we do), convenient (you can sleep while
    the operator(s) works), and does the job well (they already have been
    trained to do color correction, etc. to get you a nice scan).

    All of this could have been done and finished by the time you spent
    buying one scanner, running back, then getting another and trying to
    figure it all out.

    --

    Another faster way?

    Slide adapter attached to the lens of a compatible digital camera.
    eg. Nikons often have slide adapters for many of their higher-end models.

    Simply feed in slide, push the shutter button, eject and repeat.

    This can get you images far faster than most other options by
    yourself, and if the top-notch quality (ie. Minolta 5400 ICE'd scans at
    top resolution + photoshop retouching & correction) isn't necessary,
    then this is the fastest way available for home consumers.
     
    David Chien, Dec 15, 2004
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