Minolta's Digi SLR

Discussion in 'Minolta' started by Stuart Walker, Jun 22, 2004.

  1. Does anyone know a rough release date for MInolta's first Digi SLR? They
    mention autumn but that is 3 months long. I would also hope for a price
    slightly lower than the EOS 300D and D70 because Minolta have never quite
    been classed in the same quality bracket.
    Stuart Walker, Jun 22, 2004
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  2. a) Autumn not summer

    b) Don't be silly - they have never been classed in the same
    functionality bracket or popularity bracket, but as far as quality goes,
    they are regarded very highly. Leitz never got lenses made by Canon or
    Nikon! If anything, they are too obsessed with quality - of a certain
    kind - and not obsessed enough with speed, pizazz or ruggedness. They
    would rather make something which felt engineered than something which
    continued working when it rained... and they would rather make a superb
    lens with a specification no-one even remotely needed, than an
    acceptable one which sold to every pro in the world.

    What all this augurs for their DSLR, we can't say. It will have to be
    far better than anything else to succeed and they are looking at $2000
    body price (1700 euros). And October for the shop availability.

    David Kilpatrick, Jun 23, 2004
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  3. Orville Wrong!

    1) I use Minolta A2 and Sigma SD10 and I've shot images side by side. As
    it happens the SD10 shots are about on a par with the 8 megapixel A2,
    but that camera is not really any better than a 6 megapixel DSLR. The
    anti-shake is a different matter and allows exposures like 1/20th or
    1/8th to work well; I can't say the same for the Sigma despite the great
    stability of its heavy body which damps mirror/shutter impact very well.

    2) Sigma just launched an OS 80-400mm (optical stablisation) which has
    been tested recently in Swedish FOTO. It is optically superior to both
    the new Canon diffraction-based 75-300mm IS and the Nikon 80-400mm VR,
    but it is also considerably larger and heavier than either. It is
    physically twice the size of the Canon. The main benefit with the Sigma,
    according to their MTF charts, is at the 400mm setting where it provides
    higher resolution overall and especially into the frame corners.

    The criticism made of the Nikon VR 80-400mm has always been that it is
    not an ED-quality lens, more just a plain good zoom, so some of the
    benefit of stabilization is lost (your are making a not quite superb
    image much better, but it can still never be as good as various
    alternative non-stabilized Nikon alternatives used on a tripod). The
    Sigma, looking at the specs and price and performance, seems to aim for
    ED quality results and concentrate on the long end where the extra
    sharpness and image stab will be noticed most.

    The Canon is remarkable - a tiny lens for its range - but has an optical
    performance much like the Nikon, and obviously no match for Canon apo
    300mm glass. It will appeal to the mass consumer market as it is almost
    pocketable, and will be a great travel lens.

    3) Konica Minolta will not limit the launch at photokina to a single
    DSLR. The first will be shown in finished form and almost certainly
    available in one Cologne shop for purchase during the show (anyone who
    knows photokina will know which one!). One or more other DSLRs planned
    for 2005 will be shown in prototype form. Inside sources suggest that a
    full-frame sensor is one of the project targets, and a camera cheaper
    than the EOS 300D is another target. The Dynax 7 Digital will be neither
    of these but they will not reveal, yet, whether it will have a 6 or 8
    megapixel sensor. They will not say how many other DSLRs they have in
    the pipeline, or what timescale or price brackets they may be aimed at.

    There is a strong chance the D7D will only be a 6 mpixel, because the
    project team's main problem right now is how to make the anti-shake work
    with a large sensor. If they do make a full-frame, it will not have

    I suspect they may even be looking at a 4/3rds format DSLR as well,
    since anti-shake would be extremely easy to incorporate.

    Several of their advisors and distributors have suggested, already, that
    the mechanism used for anti-shake should also be adapted to provide a
    stepped multi-shot facility. This would make the Minolta DSLR capable of
    24 megapixel studio or tripod-mounted shots, which would be a unique
    feature and a compelling reason for many photographers to switch system.

    David Kilpatrick, Jun 23, 2004
  4. Stuart Walker

    Alan Browne Guest

    From numerous reportsd it is likely the Dynax Digital 7 will use
    the same Sony sensor as the D100/D70; eg 6 MP. I'd love it if
    the leapt beyond there (and let's hope they surprise us).

    Are you sure about that? It might result in a larger camera.
    However, since Minolta have no stabilized lenses, they will need
    to do the AS in-camera.
    I sincerely hope they do not. I hope that they maintain a path
    that supports the current Maxxum/Dynax lens system.
    4/3 is the Oly way of going to a more compact, less expensive,
    high performance lens system.
    Intriguing idea. But I sincerely doubt that many Nikon/Canon
    users will switch to Minolta. Minolta's lens system is too lean
    in high performance lenses.

    Alan Browne, Jun 23, 2004
  5. Sander Vesik wrote:

    One of my readers and regular correspondents in Spain went through a
    lengthy process with Nikon UK trying to get exactly what he wanted.
    Basically he wanted a lightweight, long reach (over 300mm) very sharp
    lens for landscape work on a tripod and some journalistic stock work
    hand-held. The 80-400mm VR sounded like an ideal solution and he managed
    to get one to test, writing a report for us. It was OK but not up to
    what he wanted for the landscape work.

    There are plenty of photographers who don't like to cart round a large
    bag of lenses, or very heavy ones. There is an odd correlation between
    very fast, and good quality, in most brands - you can't buy a 400mm f6.3
    from them with biting sharpness, but you can get a superb 400mm f4 too
    big to use and too expensive to justify!

    It's a pity this has happened. In the past, it was often possible to get
    very simple, limited maximum aperture lenses of exceptional quality, in
    both zooms and fixed lengths. It is becoming increasingly hard to find them.

    I stuck with rangefinder 35mm for a lot of work for a long time because
    the superb quality of lenses such as a Leitz 135mm f4, or 90mm f4, was
    obtainable without a massive weight, bulk and obtrusiveness premium. In
    the SLR field, there is pretty well so such thing as a 90mm f4 or 135mm
    f4 - there was hardly anything comparable even in manual focus systems.
    AF systems have gone even further. I use Minolta, I love the 85mm focal
    length, but I do not want a bloody great big f1.4 85mm on my camera even
    if it IS one of the best lenses around. I want an f2 like I used to
    have, little bigger than a standard 50mm. Or even an f2.8!

    5X tele zooms can be exceptionally good, and large apertures are not
    essential. I don't see such lenses as non-professional.

    David Kilpatrick, Jun 23, 2004
  6. Stuart Walker

    TP Guest

    A better alternative might be the 70-200mm f/2.8 VR and a
    teleconverter. Or even two teleconverters (1.4X and 2.0X).

    The optical performance of the 70-200mm f/2.8 VR and a Nikon or Kenko
    Pro 300 teleconverter will easily surpass that of the 80-400mm VR.
    TP, Jun 23, 2004
  7. Stuart Walker

    TP Guest

    Pentax SMC-M 135mm f/3.5. Small, light, very sharp.
    Carl Zeiss 85mm f/2.8 for Contax.
    TP, Jun 23, 2004
  8. Stuart Walker

    Fred at home Guest

    Orville you troll. What you know about digital photography can be summed up
    in one word - "nothing".
    Fred at home, Jun 24, 2004
  9. Used to have the early 135mm f3.5 and funnily enough, changed for a 2.5
    despite what I say about liking small lenses now (that was a long time
    ago). I've used the 85mm f2.8 for Contax, on the titanium ST body, and
    that combination is about as pure a design/optical thing as you can get.
    But they didn't seem to do very well with the idea of reverting to
    manual, mechanical everything; the body lacked 'feel' for some reason too.

    David Kilpatrick, Jun 24, 2004
  10. Stuart Walker

    Patco Guest

    Patco, Jun 26, 2004
  11. Stuart Walker

    Phil Wheeler Guest

    Scary. All those young minds being misinformed re Sigmas. But it is
    hard to believe someone on staff at a "major Univerity" would use all
    the identities you show us here and (in particular) an obscenity-based
    domain name.

    Phil Wheeler, Jun 27, 2004

  12. George "Baron Munchausen" Preddy

    Considering that you can't provide one scrap of verification, we can
    only assume that this is just another of your big fish stories.

    grant kinsley, Jun 27, 2004
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