More shooter harassment

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Bowser, Jul 19, 2011.

  1. Bowser

    Bowser Guest

    OK, my turn. I was on Martha's Vineyard (MA, USA) for a bit, and while
    there I stopped to shoot a picture of the ferry terminal building in Oak
    Bluffs. While shooting the picture, an employee of the Steamship
    Authority, the company who has a lock on transportation to and from the
    island, ask "sir, what are you doing?" I replied that I was taking a
    picture. She told me that "Homeland Security says that's illegal. Please
    don't take pictures of the building." I replied, politely, that it
    wasn't illegal and there are no laws against taking pictures of
    anything. I asked her to quote me the name and number of the law I was
    breaking. She said that her supervisor told her that this was illegal,
    so I had to stop. I said nonsense. She and her supervisor are dead
    wrong, and that she had no right to tell me what I can, or can't shoot,
    especially since I was standing on a public crosswalk. She called a cop
    over, who pretty much verified everything I told her. She asked for my
    name, address, everything, but I refused. The cop sided with me. Now she
    was pissed. She summoned someone from inside the building, he came out,
    they talked for a second, and they hustled her inside where she couldn't
    bother anyone else. The cop just shook his head, the SSA employee
    apologized, I told them "no problem" and we all went our separate ways.

    I'm guessing she was just a moron. I've been riding that ferry for 30
    years, and have shot all manner of pictures on and off the boats, and
    not once have I ever been approached or told I can't shoot pictures.
    People shoot pictures on and around the ships all the time. I can't
    figure out why she singled me out.
     
    Bowser, Jul 19, 2011
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  2. Bowser

    tony cooper Guest

    Moron, though? She was sent out by her supervisor who told her it was
    illegal. If anyone's the moron, the supervisor is. No balls, either,
    since he or she wouldn't come out.
     
    tony cooper, Jul 19, 2011
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  3. Bowser

    George Kerby Guest

    Maybe she was "hitting" on ya?!?
     
    George Kerby, Jul 19, 2011
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  4. Bowser

    Bowser Guest

    Very, very doubtful...
     
    Bowser, Jul 19, 2011
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  5. Bowser

    Bowser Guest

    Fair enough. But when she was told by the cop that she was wrong, she
    persisted. I doubt anyone told her shooting pics was illegal, I think
    she was acting on her own.
     
    Bowser, Jul 19, 2011
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    PeterN Guest

    Silly slovenly steamship employee with a superior slinky attitude.
     
    PeterN, Jul 19, 2011
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    Savageduck Guest

    Ah! Ha!
     
    Savageduck, Jul 19, 2011
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  8. Bowser

    Bowser Guest

    Couldn't resist, could you?
     
    Bowser, Jul 19, 2011
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  9. Bowser

    ray Guest

    I found out a long time ago, as the old adage says: "you'll catch more
    flies with honey than vinegar". Given the same situation, rather than
    inflaming the situation, I'd have politely left and come back later to
    finish, if it were that important.
     
    ray, Jul 19, 2011
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  10. Bowser

    Alfred Molon Guest

    When I landed in Girona airport (Spain) this June and was walking
    towards the terminal, I tried to take a picture of the building (from
    the outside). Some airport staff told me it was forbidden and even
    followed me for a while to make sure I really would not take a picture
    of the airport building.
     
    Alfred Molon, Jul 19, 2011
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    George Kerby Guest

    Well, if you happened to photograph her in the process, you could enter the
    Shoot-Out with the caption: "S---head", ya know?
     
    George Kerby, Jul 19, 2011
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  12. Bowser

    George Kerby Guest

    Well, it wasn't as much to-the-point as my suggestion.
     
    George Kerby, Jul 19, 2011
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  13. Bowser

    tony cooper Guest

    I would have agreed with her politely, explained the lack of law, and
    then offered to take her photograph and email it to her or bring it
    back another day. She'd probably give you an insider's tour if you
    did that.
     
    tony cooper, Jul 19, 2011
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    Alan Browne Guest

    I think she was trying to seduce you and you missed all the signals.
     
    Alan Browne, Jul 19, 2011
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  15. Bowser

    Savageduck Guest

    Different country, with different Laws to deal with. If you are not a
    local, or a have a good knowledge of local Laws, polite discretion is
    usually the best. Spain has its domestic issues, and it is very likely
    that an airport in Spain is well watched and has security regulations
    which might seem paranoid to a complacent tourist.

    Bowser taking shots of a Ferry terminal from public property in the USA
    is not illegal. That does not mean you are immune to confrontation by
    ignorant, officious asses who could make life difficult. It means you
    should always be prepared to deal with the situation diplomatically and
    have a line of retreat.

    Bowser was fortunate to have a cop blessed with common sense on the
    scene. There is no guarantee that will always be the case. An argument
    for argument's sake with an idiot can only lead to ugly things.
     
    Savageduck, Jul 19, 2011
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  16. Bowser

    Alan Browne Guest

    No evidence a supervisor actually said that to her - just her version of
    events. Perhaps as she got deeper into her pile of BS she fabulated
    what the supervisor said.

    I've been using the "produce the supervisor" defense on all manner of
    front line employee claims since I was a teen.

    (Used it today in fact - but lost. On erands I went to a branch of my
    SO's bank to deposit a cheque she had received into her account. I even
    knew the acct number (from the back of a previous cheque, in hand).
    They refused to deposit anything other than a bank draft/money order,
    certified cheque government cheque - unless I too had an account with
    that bank. Didn't. So ended up wasting time. [ I have no trouble
    depositing cheques into my son's account and I don't have an account
    with them ]. They say they changed policy a couple years ago).

    Just glad I see fewer and fewer cheques.
     
    Alan Browne, Jul 19, 2011
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    tony cooper Guest

    If she fooled Bowser, then Bowser fooled me. I can only respond to
    what the person telling the story says the story was.
    You would not be allowed to deposit anything in a person's account at
    my bank if you are not on the account. Not cash, not a certified
    gov't check, not anything.

    That doesn't mean you can't. It just means you are not allowed to.
    If you walk up with a deposit slip and a check in hand, the teller may
    not notice you are not the account holder.

    A few years ago my wife opened a new account at a bank near her
    office. She doesn't like to carry cash around, and wanted a nearby
    bank (our main bank is not nearby) in order to withdraw cash when
    needed. A couple of weeks later I went by that bank and tried to
    deposit $100 in cash in her account.

    I have a driver's license with the same address, I know her social
    security number, and I had a check with me showing we had a joint
    account at another bank. No good.

    She had to come with me to the bank to fill out a form adding me to
    the account.
     
    tony cooper, Jul 20, 2011
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : OK, my turn. I was on Martha's Vineyard (MA, USA) for a bit, and while
    : there I stopped to shoot a picture of the ferry terminal building in Oak
    : Bluffs. While shooting the picture, an employee of the Steamship
    : Authority, the company who has a lock on transportation to and from the
    : island, ask "sir, what are you doing?" I replied that I was taking a
    : picture. She told me that "Homeland Security says that's illegal. Please
    : don't take pictures of the building." I replied, politely, that it
    : wasn't illegal and there are no laws against taking pictures of
    : anything. I asked her to quote me the name and number of the law I was
    : breaking. She said that her supervisor told her that this was illegal,
    : so I had to stop. I said nonsense. She and her supervisor are dead
    : wrong, and that she had no right to tell me what I can, or can't shoot,
    : especially since I was standing on a public crosswalk. She called a cop
    : over, who pretty much verified everything I told her. She asked for my
    : name, address, everything, but I refused. The cop sided with me. Now she
    : was pissed. She summoned someone from inside the building, he came out,
    : they talked for a second, and they hustled her inside where she couldn't
    : bother anyone else. The cop just shook his head, the SSA employee
    : apologized, I told them "no problem" and we all went our separate ways.
    :
    : I'm guessing she was just a moron. I've been riding that ferry for 30
    : years, and have shot all manner of pictures on and off the boats, and
    : not once have I ever been approached or told I can't shoot pictures.
    : People shoot pictures on and around the ships all the time. I can't
    : figure out why she singled me out.
     
    Robert Coe, Jul 20, 2011
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  19. Bowser

    Robert Coe Guest

    : OK, my turn. I was on Martha's Vineyard (MA, USA) for a bit, and while
    : there I stopped to shoot a picture of the ferry terminal building in Oak
    : Bluffs. While shooting the picture, an employee of the Steamship
    : Authority, the company who has a lock on transportation to and from the
    : island, ask "sir, what are you doing?" I replied that I was taking a
    : picture. She told me that "Homeland Security says that's illegal. Please
    : don't take pictures of the building." I replied, politely, that it
    : wasn't illegal and there are no laws against taking pictures of
    : anything. I asked her to quote me the name and number of the law I was
    : breaking. She said that her supervisor told her that this was illegal,
    : so I had to stop. I said nonsense. She and her supervisor are dead
    : wrong, and that she had no right to tell me what I can, or can't shoot,
    : especially since I was standing on a public crosswalk. She called a cop
    : over, who pretty much verified everything I told her. She asked for my
    : name, address, everything, but I refused. The cop sided with me. Now she
    : was pissed. She summoned someone from inside the building, he came out,
    : they talked for a second, and they hustled her inside where she couldn't
    : bother anyone else. The cop just shook his head, the SSA employee
    : apologized, I told them "no problem" and we all went our separate ways.
    :
    : I'm guessing she was just a moron. I've been riding that ferry for 30
    : years, and have shot all manner of pictures on and off the boats, and
    : not once have I ever been approached or told I can't shoot pictures.
    : People shoot pictures on and around the ships all the time. I can't
    : figure out why she singled me out.

    Probably because you were carrying the biggest, most impressive camera she'd
    ever seen.

    Wandering briskly OT ...
    Oak Bluffs is an interesting town (one of the five that constitute the island
    of Martha's Vineyard). For 100 years or so, it's been the summer preserve of
    well-to-do African Americans. I believe it's partly to give a nod to that
    historical factoid that Barack Obama and his family have vacationed there a
    few times.

    Bob
     
    Robert Coe, Jul 20, 2011
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    Alan Browne Guest

    I read it differently. I guess I formed my opinion about her, er, lying
    on the first declaration << She said that her supervisor told her that
    this was illegal. >>

    That doesn't mean the super actually said that at all. He probably said
    that nobody could stay in the cafeteria for more than 10 minutes after
    they finished eating it and she thought it meant tourists couldn't take
    photos.
    I don't look much like a "Sonya" so might not fly... (and I forgot to
    mention cash - they'll deposit cash).

    There is no logic for it. I recall in one my first jobs, before direct
    deposit, where I would walk to the bank every other Thursday and a
    couple engineers would thrust their paycheques at me and ask me to
    deposit them (same bank). They'd simply write "for deposit only" on the
    back with the account number. Done. I'd bring back the deposit
    receipts. Sometimes I'd ask one of them to do the same for me.

    Don't need to see a balance. Just a receipt for the deposited amount is
    fine.
    Strange these banks. They should keep money in but not keep it out.

    I can _almost_ understand not depositing a personal cheque as it could
    screw up a persons account and cost fees if it bounced.
     
    Alan Browne, Jul 20, 2011
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