Mourning Minolta

Discussion in 'Minolta' started by bmoag, Jan 28, 2006.

  1. bmoag

    bmoag Guest

    The first slr I ever saw or used was my father's SR7. I still have some
    lenses from that vintage. I wish I had the camera.
    Minolta cameras were my introduction to photography and have always been
    favorites.
    I cannot believe this venerable, innovative, high quality manufacturer has
    to fold its cards in this expanding world market for digital photography.
    Of course it is the schlock end of the market that is exploding.
    Hard to compete with the guerilla schlock marketing tactics of Canon: when
    people buy a pixma printer and find it uses the same ink cartridges as
    printers several generations older do they still think they are buying new
    technology?
    There are less dogs in the Minolta lens catalog than in the Canon or Nikon
    catalogs.
    If Sony perpetuates the brand name I hope they also perpetuate the spirit of
    innovation: first meter coupled SLR, first TTL metering SLR, first autofocus
    SLR . . .
     
    bmoag, Jan 28, 2006
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    Tony Guest

    I guess the grapes are really, really sour.
    Minolta made some serious mistakes, which eventually caught up with them.
    Like Ford!
    Now they are joining Leica, Olympus, Kyrocera, and a dozen other
    companies that decided they didn't need to stay on top of the market because
    the figured thier loyal consumers would wait, and wait, and wait --
    loyally..
    It took Leica 10 years to figure out that the SLR had eliminated 95% of
    the rangefinder market. Olympus lost it by not making an AF SLR in the OM
    system. Thier current attempt to jump on teh bandwagon is litterally too
    little and far too late. Kyrocera's mistakes are too numerous to list - but
    kludes like moving film plane AF are going to be used as examples of how not
    to do things in both business and engineering schools for the next 20 years
    or more. Minolta just neglected to make a digital SLR to fit thier system
    for far too long.
    Instead of keeping up with the market these companies joind the
    dinosaurs, drinking at the tar pits. When they finally figured out what they
    should have done, it was too late and they were sinking too fast.
     
    Tony, Jan 28, 2006
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    Mark² Guest

    Tony wrote:

    First-rate analogy.
     
    Mark², Jan 28, 2006
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    Andy Hewitt Guest

    Erm, actually they were one of the first! The OM707 was up there with
    all the others at the time (late 80's). In fact the OM30 could also be
    adapted to work a rudimentary autofocus too. Both used standard OM
    series lenses, as well as the AF lenses on the 707.
    That's not necessarily the problem. Companies can make shite products,
    and yet still be successful - The Playstation is a crap product, yet
    sells by the bucket load (I don't mean in terms of features, but the
    build quality). Indeed, Sony made a monumental cock-up in not joining
    the flat screen market earlier - heads rolled over that one.

    That is the company that is entrusted to the future of Minolta!

    Another thing to remember is that each of those companies has many other
    product lines that make them much more profit - Certainly Olympus makes
    equipment for the industrial and medical services. Kyocera make some
    damned good business printers.

    Furthermore, this is only a matter of the level of profitability that a
    company will accept working to. Minolta could very likely have carried
    on making cameras, and making a reasonable profit too. Even a niche
    market has value. They have obviously decided that they won't operate at
    a lower profit level, and with a large wad of money from Sony, it's the
    wallets that speak loudest.
     
    Andy Hewitt, Jan 28, 2006
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    Kinon O'cann Guest

    I enjoyed my AutoreflexT for years, as well.
    So the use of a CMOS sensor wasn't different and new? The Nikon D2X and D200
    are bac cameras? Hardly. Products like that, and Minolta's inability to
    compete is the reason they folded. Does Minolta have something to compete
    with the likes of Nikon and Canon besides another garden variety 6MP SLR
    with some nice bells and whistles? Are all those sports shooters and
    journalists who shoot Canon simply victims of marketing? C'mon, there's lots
    more to this story than Canon's ability to market!
    There's less of everything in the Minolta catalog than Canon or Nikon.
    Yeah, right. Sony may advance the state of the art, but we'll have to wait
    and see. The good news is that Sony usually does break new ground, so I'm
    hopeful.
     
    Kinon O'cann, Jan 28, 2006
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    Alan Browne Guest

    My main fear is that Sony will do an SLR that is very functional, but
    not ergonomical in the sense of the Maxxum 7D/9/7 etc.

    As to brand name it will be "Sony". I doubt they will use "Maxxum" and
    "Dynax" except in the fine print for compatibility.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 28, 2006
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    Tony Guest

    Being "one of the first" and then giving up is the same as never being in
    the race. The OM system essentially remained one of the top SLR systems of
    1978 until it died quietly and mostly forgotten in its sleep.
     
    Tony, Jan 29, 2006
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    Mark² Guest

    Fear not...for Nikon art with thee.
     
    Mark², Jan 29, 2006
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    Mark² Guest

    Yea, though you walk through the valley of the shadow-detail of K-M death...
    ....you shall fear no evil, for Sony Memory Sticks and malware art with you,
    too.

    (Ducking lightning bolt...)
     
    Mark², Jan 29, 2006
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  10. The "schlock" end of the market has always paid the bills, so us, "artists"
    with our high-end equipment, could enjoy our serious hobbies, and/or
    professions....I wonder who will be paying the bills in about 10
    years........
     
    William Graham, Jan 29, 2006
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    Andy Hewitt Guest

    It was one of the top systems well into the 80's as well. I got my OM40
    in 1987, and still have it. I doubt that very little could better the
    50mm F1.4 Zuiko lens I have in combination with the OM40.

    Of course they did eventually decide to drop the SLR range, and make
    some of the best compact cameras ever made, which is where they came
    into the market.

    It may well be that they even foresaw the demise of the SLR market many
    years before it happened and concentrated on more reliable parts of the
    market.

    You can't deny that the Minolta Dimage, and Olympus Mju and Trip ranges
    have not been excellent products.
     
    Andy Hewitt, Jan 29, 2006
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    Alan Browne Guest


    Incredibly, I know you won't believe this: My Minolta gear stil works!
    I guess it didn't hear the announcement.
     
    Alan Browne, Jan 29, 2006
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    Mark² Guest

    No way. All cameras cease to exist the moment a company dies...
    -I thought you understood this!
    :)
     
    Mark², Jan 29, 2006
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  14. Nobody told my Speed Graphic.
     
    Nicholas O. Lindan, Jan 29, 2006
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  15. Minolta won't ascend until the end of March - we still have a couple months
    left with our Maxxums...
     
    Bob Harrington, Jan 30, 2006
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  16. I wonder if they will continue to repair my 5400 scanner until the end of
    March.....Can I pump 10,000 slides through it in two months? - Maybe I
    should start training the monkeys now.......
     
    William Graham, Jan 30, 2006
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    Tony Guest

    Let me know when the demise of the SLR happens. How is the Olympus ZLR
    system doing BTW -- still dead?
    Gotta be impressed with that great 50mm f1.4 Zooko lens though -- how
    many camera makers can claim to make something in such a rare and exotic
    size --- certainly no more than 30! But of course they won't work in
    combination with your OM40 -- a great 1970s camera BTW.
    And then there is the 4/3rds system, with the teeny-weeny itsy bitsy
    little tiny chip and the big price tag. Have they sold one yet? I suppose
    they don't want to anyway since SLRs are about to pull a dinosaur act -
    right?
    Then there is the "You can't deny that.... Have not been...." business.
    Do two double negatives mean I can avoid dead camera systems? Hope so.
     
    Tony, Feb 1, 2006
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    Alan Browne Guest


    Sure. Come find all my f/2.8 glass in my trashbin on April 1.
     
    Alan Browne, Feb 4, 2006
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    JimKramer Guest

    Cool, are you going to spring for plane tickets too? Oh and I think my
    passport expired last year :-( if you're buying tickets anyway...
     
    JimKramer, Feb 4, 2006
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Keep checking you mail box.

    'mericans don't need a passport to come to Canada. ... yet.
     
    Alan Browne, Feb 4, 2006
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