Movie mode in UK digicam still limited to 10 mins?

Discussion in 'UK Photography' started by Delila, Jun 17, 2008.

  1. Delila

    Delila Guest

    I am in the UK. I would like to get a simple compact digicam that
    records for longer than 10 minutes but I don't want to look for
    something which I can't hope to find!

    I seem to remember that in the UK a digital camera is not permitted to
    record in movie mode for more than 10 minutes.

    It seem that if it did then the digicam would get classified by the
    authorities as a "camcorder", and there are different taxes/quotas for
    camcorders and digicams!

    Is this still true?

    Any info please.
    Thank you.

    Dee
     
    Delila, Jun 17, 2008
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    savvo Guest

    IME with an Olympus C8080, movies keep recording until the card is full.
    I've made 45 minute movies. But the quality...?
     
    savvo, Jun 17, 2008
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    Trev Guest

    In
    Cam coders that can record from an external source such as Video player or
    freeview box are classed, as video recorders and cost more. The limit on
    most Digital cameras is the ability to save the captured images to Flash
    memory. Hence movie mode is low resolution and zoom is often disabled. I
    think sharp do a cross over model, and it may be the only one
     
    Trev, Jun 17, 2008
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  4. Delila

    Netmask Guest


    Take a look at this camera - use it as a camcorder or digicam - I imported
    mine from Hong Kong and didn't even get charged GST(VAT), just arrived in
    the post. There's no duty or quotas on cameras in Oz just GST in theory.
    http://www.sanyodigital.com/product.aspx?v=17 I took it to NY for a family
    get together and it was great, you can even grab stills whilst you are
    shooting in movie mode.
     
    Netmask, Jun 20, 2008
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  5. Delila

    Poldie Guest

    I've never heard of this. There's just VAT in the UK (currently 17.5%).
    If there's extra tax then it's something dealt with by the
    retailer/manufacturer.
     
    Poldie, Jul 12, 2008
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    Bruce Guest


    Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't make it untrue.

    Camcorders do attract a much higher rate of import duty than cameras.
    The rate of duty on camcorders is 14.0%. Duty on film cameras is 4.9%
    whereas the rate of duty on digital cameras is currently 0.0%.

    Import duty is paid on importation by the importer, as its name
    suggests, and it will inevitably be reflected in the price paid by the
    consumer. So manufacturers of digital camera restrict their UK models
    to a maximum of 10 minutes' video recording in order to keep prices
    down. An additional 14% on top would make many digital cameras
    uncompetitive with others that stay within the 10 minute rule.

    It isn't only the import duty; VAT is payable on the import duty as
    well as the price of the item. Tax on duty. ;-)

    I am sure that the 10 minute rule is not a deal breaker for >99% of
    buyers of digital cameras. But it does exist, in spite of the fact
    that you don't know about it.
     
    Bruce, Jul 12, 2008
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  7. It's been an annoyance to me personally -- I was recording a friend's
    45-minute-long presentation at a conference with a Canon A640 in video
    mode and I had to restart the recording every 8 minutes or so. I edited
    the sections together and compressed the video using VirtualDub.

    It's worth noting that the in-camera real-time video compression in the
    A640 is not very good (not surprising given the limited computing power
    available), resulting in 1Gb files for each 8-minute segment. I think
    this is going to be true for most digital still cameras with a video
    mode. In the end I produced a 250Mb .avi file of acceptable quality from
    the 6Gb of raw video I started with.
     
    Robert Sneddon, Jul 12, 2008
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  8. Delila

    Bruce Guest


    Then buy a camcorder.
     
    Bruce, Jul 12, 2008
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  9. Definitely. My camcorder (Sony dcr hc-32e) sells here for 300 euros. It's
    discontinued and consumer, and just one store in Iraklion has it, the price
    is dropping all the time because they want it off their stock. It's much
    better though than a still camera in video mode:) (3 TDK 60 min tapes, mini
    DV, sell here for 6.90 euros, each tape is 14 GB).
     
    Tzortzakakis Dimitrios, Jul 12, 2008
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  10. I record video very rarely, and usually in short bursts -- the case I
    specified in my post was, for me, unique in that I was recording for 40
    minutes or more.

    My next trip coming up is to Japan and my ability to schlep stuff
    around is limited by the total weight of my suitcases etc. I'd very much
    rather carry a decent point-and-shoot digital still camera and record
    occasional video shots than have to carry yet another piece of personal
    electronics around, with its ancillary battery charger, leads, tapes or
    other recording media etc.

    I've skinned my personal travel pack down so much I've actually
    manufactured short power leads for things like my PDA and battery
    chargers, to save 50 grammes each. I don't carry a laptop, even a
    lightweight one, on these sorts of trip. Instead I use a PDA to do the
    same job and back up the camera's SD card onto thumb drives which I mail
    home when they've got a decent amount of pictures on them.
     
    Robert Sneddon, Jul 12, 2008
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