Multiple editing software Programs on PC

Discussion in 'Amateur Video Production' started by Jeff, May 10, 2005.

  1. Jeff

    Jeff Guest

    Another question for the experts,

    Is there an inherent danger ot having several as in 4, 5 or 6 of the current
    generation of editing software on the same computer?

    I like to experiment...can having all the programs loaded on to the hard
    drive cause problems?

    of course just one used as a time..


    Silly question, can a project from one piece of software somehow be used in
    another program?

    in opther words if you like one piece of software but another has a feature
    you need...yo uget the idea.

    Jeff
     
    Jeff, May 10, 2005
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  2. Only as much as the programs are "well behaved". For example, MS and QT
    have had several arguments about who gets to set the file associations.
    Each was saying the oher is resetting the file associations to their player,
    effectively "disconnecting" the others.

    Aside from the above, there should be no problem.
    Actually there is functionality in Premiere to accept OMF (Avid's format) as
    well as other formats. I'm sure most apps are at least able to import most
    file formats. I don't know about entire projects... but there are EDL's
    that can be used that may get the results you want. (I have never found a
    reason to leave the Adobe editing arena so I've never used EDL's. Wish I
    could help.)

    All of what you are proposing should be workable given a good system.
    Tom P.
     
    Henry Padilla, May 10, 2005
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  3. Jeff

    Ron Tock Guest

    That's what I do. No problems.
     
    Ron Tock, May 10, 2005
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  4. Jeff

    PTravel Guest

    It depends on the software. At one point, I had Premiere 6.5, Pro 1.0 and
    Pro 1.5 all on my computer with no ill-effects.
    It depends on what you mean by a "project." I routinely will pull in the
    output from a variety of programs for a project. For example, I do advanced
    compositing in AfterEffects, animations in CrazyTalk, 3-D animated titles in
    Cool 3D Edit, flicker removal in Virtual Dub, etc., and use them in projects
    created in Premiere. All of these programs can export in a variety of
    formats. I export to uncompressed AVI (or, occassionaly DV-codec encoded
    AVI) and then import the clips into Premiere. I also edit still in
    Photoshop and import those into Premiere. I can even export individual
    frames from Premiere to Photoshop, edit them, and then pull them back in --
    this is useful for things like removing a single scan-line of drop out from
    a frame. Premiere can also export video as filmstrips, so that Photoshop
    effects and corrections can be applied globally.

    Premiere, itself, can, supposedly, import entire projects created in earlier
    versions, though I've never tried. Premiere Pro can import multiple
    projects into a single new project.
    As long as the software can produce output in a usable form, it's not a
    problem at all.
     
    PTravel, May 10, 2005
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  5. Jeff

    C.J.Patten Guest

    I can confirm what PTravel is saying and build on it: Premiere Pro 1.0 can
    import projects from Premiere 6.x.
    I vaguely recalling importing even older projects - Premiere 4.x and 5.x
    vintage.

    No ill effects from having multiple versions of most software but be
    cautious if you attempt to UNinstall any of the versions.

    Sometimes the uninstall will remove ancillary files needed by the other
    versions. If a dialog pops up during uninstall asking if you'd like to
    remove a file or skip it, SKIP it on the off chance it's needed.

    C.j
     
    C.J.Patten, May 10, 2005
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  6. Jeff

    Jim Gunn Guest


    I have Premiere Pro 1.5 running succesfully on the same desktop that I
    still have Premiere 6.5 loaded on. It's also nice to be able to use
    different programs that work easily with Premiere for graphic design
    (Photoshop), and DVD production (Encore). I also have Audition for
    sound/music editig, but I cannot make heads or tails of it. .
     
    Jim Gunn, May 11, 2005
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  7. Jeff

    PTravel Guest

    What's the problem with Audition? I use GoldWave for audio-post, but have
    been considering going with the Adobe product for tighter integration.
     
    PTravel, May 11, 2005
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  8. The problem is it comes from an audio NUT (as CoolEdit) and is full of FFT
    filters and all kinds of other things that normal people didn't even know
    were there. It can get pretty scary if you click the wrong thing and all of
    the sudden the screen is full of random numbers you can't make heads nor
    tails out of.

    Heck I've been mixing for a couple of years and it still catches me unaware.
    (I just found out how to use the spectral view the other day, pretty neat).

    It's geared towards fixing sound, not making it. That's another big
    distinction.

    Was there anything you wanted to know about it?

    Tom P.
     
    Henry Padilla, May 11, 2005
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  9. Jeff

    PTravel Guest

    Actually, what you've said is quite helpful. Repairing sound is an issue --
    good notch filters, pitch-shifting, de-essers and the like are what I look
    for. Is Audition good for that? I don't mind program complexity too much.
     
    PTravel, May 11, 2005
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  10. Jeff

    RS Guest

    Ah, sort of like Sound Forge is for fixing sound and Acid Loops is for
    making.
     
    RS, May 11, 2005
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  11. Audition is WONDERFUL for that sort of thing. One of the things I used to
    like doing was making an old(er) friend of mine say "Oh, Cool" at some of
    the things I could do with PARIS and Audition.

    I would take the lead vocal track and make him sing much longer and better
    than he possibly could. It was kinda fun.

    And it has taken steps to incorporate music loops into it's repertoire. Now
    you can loop some songs in the multi-track and layer that underneath your
    video.

    I've also heard (I've not tried this so don't quote me) that you can open an
    AVI and fix the sound and save it back to the AVI. No intermediate sound
    file! (I've heard).

    The help file that comes with Audition is kinda good but it can get either
    too specific or too general to help. (How it does both I'll never know).

    A good thing to do is find (or record) a person speaking and try and edit
    what they said (I've come real close to making a certain politician admit he
    did have sex with that woman).

    One thing to know for example is that Audition uses an audition-and-fix
    method for a few things. For example: find a piece of noisy audio, look for
    a place that has just the noise 1-2 seconds is usually good enough. Now go
    to the Noise Reduction filter and sample the noise floor. Then click the
    "Close" button, this closes the screen but doesn't get rid of the
    measurements. Now you can select the entire wave and re-open the Noise
    Reduction filter and there are all the measurements that it made from the
    pure noise and now when you hit OK it'll apply those measurements to the
    entire wave.

    But, unless you know to go in there twice, once with noise and once with the
    full wave, it looks either complicated or ridiculous.

    Let me know if you have something specific you need to do, I'll try and
    describe the steps when I get home.

    Tom P.
     
    Henry Padilla, May 12, 2005
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  12. Jeff

    Ted Kerin Guest

    I like Audition, too. It's a good product.

    But I liked it better when it was called "CoolEdit", and when it cost about
    one-fifth the price trhat Adobe skyrocketed it to (with very few
    enhancements beyond the MUCH cheaper product sold by its creators)..

    I'm a big fan of Adobe products. But this was a disturbing rip-off, which I
    hope will not be repeated with Adobe's purchase of Macromedia's DreamWeaver.
     
    Ted Kerin, May 12, 2005
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  13. Jeff

    PTravel Guest

    Thanks. I think I'm going to give audition a try. This sounds far more
    comprehensive than the software I'm using now.
     
    PTravel, May 12, 2005
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  14. Yes. Although, in true Adobe form, they have tried (rather well so kudos to
    them) to add looping and multitrack to Audition...and that's the part that I
    think is confusing most people.

    In the MultiTrack view you can drop loops and other sounds and mix them with
    pan and volume envelopes and crossfades and such. And it does this quite
    well (I've done a mix of When Doves Cry that incorporates the original and
    the remake from Romeo and Juliet, sounds pretty cool).

    But, in Single "Track" view you can apply EQ and filtering and noise
    reduction and comb filters and parametric reverb and tons of other stuff.
    And, like I've said, it does it quite well.

    Then, in CD view you have "tracks" that are stereo tracks to burn onto a CD.

    So which is it? A music maker? A sound editor? A Foley editor? a noise
    reduction filter and EQ? a CD burner?

    It just is a little much for someone new.

    I personally love the thing and can't see not having it in my studio. (To
    be fair I've loved it since CoolEdit times.)

    Tom P.
     
    Henry Padilla, May 12, 2005
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  15. Jeff

    C.J.Patten Guest

    OMG Tom.

    Are you saying Audition can use a "room" noise sample, basically invert the
    wave and use it to cancel background noise in a clip!?

    I had no idea... I thought that was all theory or reserved for really high
    end gear.

    I have a couple of shots in rooms with HVAC that we just couldn't turn
    off... it would be very cool to be able to do something with those.

    C.
     
    C.J.Patten, May 13, 2005
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  16. Nope... I mean it's even cooler.

    Say you have a clip and the last three seconds of the clip are "silence"
    (aka room noise).
    (Note: I'm remembering these menu option off the top of my head so cut me
    some slack :) )

    * Pop the clip into Audition.
    * Select a good size chunk of "silence" (1-3 sec is plenty but I've used as
    little as .05 secs between words)
    * Go to Effects->Noise Reduction Click the "Get Noise Floor" button
    * Click the "Close" (NOT Cancel) button
    * Select the entire wave form
    * Go back to Effects-> Noise Reduction and click OK

    You should have a passable approximation of the "sound" minus the "noise".
    The best ways to do this involve amplifying the sound to -1dBFS (~98%) do a
    NR but only reduce about 75% of the "noise" then turn it back down
    to -12dBFS (~75%) that way you can get rid of some of the noise through NR
    and some through turning the "noise" down.

    But yeah, you can do it... and do it well. I have found playing with the
    parameters and using things like comb filters and such before the NR can
    help quite a bit also.

    It's all in the order of processing.
    Tom P.
     
    Henry Padilla, May 13, 2005
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  17. Jeff

    C.J.Patten Guest

    LOL!

    I just tried this. WOW! It really works!!!

    <insert war whoop>

    One thing: the resultant audio (it's a voice interview) has an "echoic"
    quality to it.
    Not severe, but it's noticable. (it was a "bright" room acoustically but I
    don't remember that kind of echo...)

    Any thoughts on that? (I had about a 3 second sample of room noise shot
    between takes FYI)

    Even with the echo, this is the absolute coolest thing I've ever heard.

    I really need to mail you a birthday cake this year. :D

    C.j
     
    C.J.Patten, May 13, 2005
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  18. Jeff

    C.J.Patten Guest

    Following my question up... "RTFM Chris, RTFM." :)

    Audition help discusses this "reverb" I'm experiencing as being a function
    of several settings in the noise reduction dialog.

    I'm am SO stoked about this right now.

    <yeeeeeeeeeeahhhhhhhhhhhh baby!>

    Here's a couple of "before & after" samples:
    http://www.ncf.ca/~af895/misc/noise.mp3
    http://www.ncf.ca/~af895/misc/canceled.mp3

    They're not perfect but it's a BIG improvement! Reinforces the idea of
    getting it right to start with and not fixing in post but also great to know
    what could be done with given source material.

    If I had to film something next to a waterfall, say, I could sample the
    background noise and use it to bring the falls down a bit in post. (assuming
    it isn't too bad to start)

    This is so cool.

    C.
     
    C.J.Patten, May 13, 2005
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  19. Like I was saying, if you try to make everything silent except for the sound
    you want then you'll likely end up with the "echoy" sound you got. BUT, if
    you just want to make the noise "LESS" this can do an amazing job.

    I have also used this, on purpose, to create the most eerie SFX's I've ever
    heard. Get a dog growling or some such and really hammer it with NR. Maybe
    even two or three times. Some parameters make for a metallic sounding dog,
    others a demonic sound. It's really kind of cool.

    Glad I could help.

    Tom P.
     
    Henry Padilla, May 13, 2005
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  20. Jeff

    Jim Gunn Guest

    I wish I had the time and patience right now to delve into this
    powerful program. I bought it as part of an Adove software suite (I
    have Audition 1.0). I wish I could learn several of the features,
    especially for sound editing of my videos and loop based music
    creation to make interesting background music . I have already
    learned so many other apps over the last two or three years, but
    Encore, the last one I learned took a few months for me to master all
    the features and finish my first professional DVD for commercial
    release.
     
    Jim Gunn, May 14, 2005
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