Nat Geo contest winner - with horrid Photoshopping

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Cynicor, Dec 17, 2008.

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    Cynicor Guest

    Cynicor, Dec 17, 2008
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    Cynicor Guest

    Fair enough. It shouldn't have been accepted into the contest in the
    first place, in my opinion.

    The photo itself is on the shooter's page:

    For some reason, every time someone makes obviously fake photo-art and
    calls it a photograph, or uses eight-sided snowflakes, or a number of
    other things that seem to bug only me, you get the predictable comments
    like this one from his page: "i dont know why people talking abt
    there any rule for art? if there have some rules than i will say
    photography is not a art." It's part of the "stop pointing out this
    sucks, you hater" rule.
    Cynicor, Dec 17, 2008
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    Cynicor Guest

    Depends on the competition. I believe the rules in this one said "no
    manipulation," which I usually think of as meaning "light
    sharpening/contrast/saturation OK" but not "take the photo and then
    paste in the sky and then paste it in again as a wrong-facing
    reflection." On the other hand, he did leave the crooked horizon....
    Cynicor, Dec 18, 2008
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    Robert Coe Guest

    : Technically, this is not digital because he took it with 35mm film, but
    : I can't believe that none of the judges at National Geographic caught
    : this disaster.

    Well, it would certainly appear that the "photographer" has no conceptual
    understanding of the geometry of reflections. I suppose we may conclude that
    the judges don't either. :^|

    Robert Coe, Dec 19, 2008
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    tony cooper Guest

    Yeah, right. Like that Alfred Eisenstaedt bozo just happened to be in
    the right place at the right time when he took:

    Sam Shere should not be credited with any artistry or technical
    ability for this photograph:

    Sam and Addison Bain were just lucky to be in the right place at the
    right time and got photos like: Hindenburg.jpg
    tony cooper, Dec 20, 2008
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    Mark Roberts Guest

    Another interesting point is how easy it would have been for him to
    have gotten away with his fakery if he'd just taken the time to do it
    right (and I suspect that the lesson he'll take away from this is not
    to eschew cheating but rather just to do a better job of it). This
    raises the question of how we can be sure that any of the *other*
    winners aren't cheaters -- just cheaters who did a more competent job.

    I've seen contests that allowed "Photoshopping" with few if any
    restrictions. I personally feel that this kind of photo really ought
    to be in a separate category but I completely sympathize with the
    contest organizers: It's probably just too big a job to scrutinize
    every single photo thoroughly enough to catch all cheating, if that's
    even possible.

    Sad, I suppose, but that's the way it goes.
    Mark Roberts, Dec 20, 2008
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    Cynicor Guest

    Well...they're ordinary people in extraordinary situations who then do
    something unexpected and brave. If a gunman takes hostages and one
    person cowers in a corner while the other overpowers them, both people
    are not heroes just because they're both in extraordinary conditions.
    Cynicor, Dec 20, 2008
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    Cynicor Guest

    What ends up pissing me off is not the contest organizers, but people
    who comment with lines like "who cares i think its pretty stop hatin."
    Cynicor, Dec 20, 2008
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    tony cooper Guest

    I was audited by the IRS a few years back. Where do I pick up my
    tony cooper, Dec 21, 2008
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    tony cooper Guest

    It was what I filed that caused the audit.
    tony cooper, Dec 21, 2008
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    Cynicor Guest

    Sorry, I have to disagree. The word "hero" involves courage and
    self-sacrifice, not just survival.
    Cynicor, Dec 21, 2008
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    tony cooper Guest

    I always thought it was a sandwich.
    tony cooper, Dec 21, 2008
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    tony cooper Guest

    Not necessarily self-sacrifice...just the willingness to
    self-sacrifice. Our usage of "hero" is pretty loose. The NYC firemen
    that were involved in the post-9/11 activities are referred to as
    heros. Yet, they were doing what they are expected to do in the job
    they chose to take. I don't think that "heros" is correctly applied
    here, but that doesn't mean that I don't respect what they do.
    tony cooper, Dec 21, 2008
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    Cynicor Guest

    Right. Everyone who happens to survive an incident doesn't necessarily
    perform brave deeds. This definition says exactly what I said.
    Cynicor, Dec 21, 2008
  15. Nicely said. It's a word over used and highly diluted as the word
    "tragedy" has been. It's now a tragedy if someone's dog gets hit by a car.

    Also, "brave [often Americans, esp when referring to the WTCs demise]
    who gave their lives", when those people gave nothing, but had life
    stripped from them in gruesome ways.

    Oh, shoot, back to photography....
    John McWilliams, Dec 21, 2008
  16. Most folks apparently disagree with you, Floyd.
    John McWilliams, Dec 21, 2008
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    Cynicor Guest

    So if you're trapped in a burning building, you pass out, and a
    firefighter rescues you, you've shown "distinguished courage?"

    I'm not being sarcastic with my questions - I was an editor for over a
    decade and this is how I would narrow down a proper definition of a word
    in context.
    Cynicor, Dec 21, 2008
  18. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
    drugs began to take hold. I remember John Navas
    No - that'a a survivor. A 'hero' would be someone who, using just a
    paperclip and a toilet roll, managed to outfox and outgun a gang of
    armed desperados, releasing the hostages and getting the beers in at the
    same time.
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jan 14, 2009
  19. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
    Being in the right place at the right time is what it's all about for
    press stuff - crucially, taking a half-decent picture too.
    That, I agree with. Seems we're surrounded by 'heroes' and 'brave'
    people nowadays. I don't have any problem with the people involved, it's
    just the usual media bullshit that cheapens it.
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jan 14, 2009
  20. We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
    I know. I bought one of your phones.
    Grimly Curmudgeon, Jan 14, 2009
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