Need help deciding which one to get: D40X or D200

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by Dave Phillips, Jun 21, 2007.

  1. I need help in deciding between the D200 or D40X camera. I am replacing a
    Nikon D-1 and have a Tamron 70-210 f2.8 lens and a Sigma 28-105 f2.8-4 lens
    along with a SB-800 flash.

    Mostly I shoot sports pictures as a freelancer for local newspapers. I shoot
    football, baseball, soccer, hockey, etc.

    Whichever camera I buy cannot have a delay in shooting and must have decent
    frames per second.

    I noticed on the Nikon site that they have 1/250 or 1/200 of a second flash
    sync. Not as good as the D-1, which is 1/500, but acceptable.

    Also, is the D40x made as well (heavy duty) as the D200?
     
    Dave Phillips, Jun 21, 2007
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    Paul Furman Guest

    As I understand the SB800 will overcome the 1/250 flash synch though the
    power may not be much in that mode for the distances needed for sports
    photography.

    The D200 is built like a tank. The D200 also has much better access to
    manual controls on the body (minimal menu diving).
     
    Paul Furman, Jun 21, 2007
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    Richard H. Guest

    Why not find a lightly used D70s? It's an excellent 6MP camera with
    1/500 sync.

    They're closing on eBay around $600, often with a lens or two. That's
    less than half what you'll pay for a D200 (closer to 1/3 after tax).

    Cheers,
    Richard
     
    Richard H., Jun 21, 2007
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    ink Guest

    I second what Paul says. Furthermore, you mention "decent frames per
    second" - the D40X does 3, the D200 does 5. Also, I don't know your lenses,
    but the D40X will not autofocus unless the lens has AF-S. If you shoot
    sports, you're likely to need autofocus.

    Cheers,
    ink
     
    ink, Jun 21, 2007
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    Pete D Guest

    To start with I am staggered that you would have to ask coming from a D1.
    The D40X is a beginners camera, the D200 is serious users camera, the end.
     
    Pete D, Jun 21, 2007
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    Andrew Haley Guest

    It isn't so simple. I use a D2x and a D40 and they're both very fine
    cameras. The D40, being very small and light, goes to a lot of places
    I wouldn't take the D2x. There are some irritations with the D40 due
    to it having so few buttons, so I have to use menus instead, and it
    won't autofocus with some lenses. But the D40 is still very much
    worth having!

    Andrew.
     
    Andrew Haley, Jun 21, 2007
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    Pete D Guest

    He shoots for profit, no brainer get the faster more responsive camera,
    easy.
     
    Pete D, Jun 21, 2007
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    alex Guest

    This must be a joke; of course D200 would be much better. Also (and
    this could be more flame-provoking) D40X is a waste of money vs D40
    for almost everyone.

    Now, D40 (or D40X if one insists on paying more for the same camera)
    does have its uses -- I am a very happy D40 owner and will take it
    with kit lens everywhere (on kayaking and climbing trips, etc.) as it
    is light, small (for a DSLR) and inexpensive. However it is basic,
    has slow AF, not enough AF areas, too much options accessible only
    through on-screen options, etc.
     
    alex, Jun 21, 2007
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    Frank Arthur Guest

    You are asking if you should buy a Chevy or a Porsche since you are
    "doing a lot of racing". And yes I only use Regular gas- no matter
    what.
     
    Frank Arthur, Jun 21, 2007
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    newsmb Guest


    The D40x is an entry-level DSLR and is very plastic.

    Also, the Tamron 70-210 f2.8 and Sigma 28-105 f2.8-4 will not
    autofocus with the D40x, which has no built-in autofocus motor. You
    will need to buy new lenses if you go with the D40x. In other words:
    for you there is no money to be saved in getting the D40x over the D80
    or D200.
     
    newsmb, Jun 22, 2007
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    newsmb Guest


    The D40x is plastic, while the D200 is made of some magnesium alloy.

    Your Tamron 70-210 f2.8 and Sigma 28-105 f2.8-4 will not autofocus
    with the D40x and will need to be replaced if you go that route. That
    is, for you there is no money to be saved by choosing the D40x over
    the D200.
     
    newsmb, Jun 22, 2007
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    newsmb Guest

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    The D40x is plastic, while the D200 is made of some magnesium alloy.

    Your Tamron 70-210 f2.8 and Sigma 28-105 f2.8-4 will not autofocus
    with the D40x and will need to be replaced if you go that route. I.e.
    there is no money to be saved for you by choosing the D40x over the
    D200.
     
    newsmb, Jun 22, 2007
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    C J Campbell Guest

    It isn't much of a choice. The D200 is the only way to go.

    Neither camera has a delay in shooting. The D200 shoots 5 fps; the D40x 3 fps.

    The D40x will only autofocus with AF-S lenses. Specifically, it will
    not autofocus with your lenses.

    The D40x is not weather sealed. The D200 is. Controls on the D40x are
    not as accessible as on the D200.

    The D40x uses only SD cards. The D200 uses only CF memory cards.

    You will want one extra battery for the D200.
     
    C J Campbell, Jun 22, 2007
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  14. Thanks for all the advice...a D200 it is.


    Dave
     
    Dave Phillips, Jun 22, 2007
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  15. It is alleged that alex claimed:
    I'm glad you said "almost" there... :)

    I just got the D40x, my first DSLR. I opted for it instead of the D40
    because it's faster in frames/second in continuous mode, larger ISO
    range, and more pixels. My $200 point-and-shoot is a 5MP camera, why
    would I want to spend $700 for a 6MP camera?
    Now, if you already have a D40, I can understand not seeing the D40x as
    a worthwhile upgrade. But that doesn't mean that it's not worthwhile
    to someone who's getting their first one.
    Kayaking? How well does the D40 cope with wetness?

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    I have no clue how it ended up there (and it was created a few days
    ago, presumably by me!). I still haven't resolved the question it
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    So what was in yours, then?
     
    achilleaslazarides, Jun 26, 2007
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    -=Rob Guest

    Jeffrey Kaplan schreef:
    Because the sensor of a point and shoot is so much smaller
    than of any dSLR !!
    So the _pixels_ of a dSLR-sensor are much bigger => so much more quality
    => less noise by higher ISO

    A 6MP picturte of a dSLR is a great difference according to a point and
    shoot camera.

    -=Rob
     
    -=Rob, Jun 26, 2007
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  18. It is alleged that -=Rob claimed:
    There are other improvements in the D40x over the D40. If I already
    had the D40, I probably would not think the ~x as a worthwhile upgrade,
    but I came into it as my first. And the price difference wasn't enough
    of one to make it the decision point.

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    Jeffrey Kaplan, Jun 26, 2007
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    ASAAR Guest

    Because real life doesn't always agree with what may appear to be
    "common sense" assumptions. The 6mp D40 probably produces far
    better images than many 8mp and 10mp cameras. The D40x can produce
    more detailed images than the D40, but unless you routinely make
    *very* large prints or do extensive cropping, the larger number of
    pixels may not come close to improving your shots as much as using
    the price difference between the D40 and D40x to get an additional
    or better lens, since the higher resolution sensor can more easily
    reveal deficiencies of lower quality kit lenses. At least Nikon's
    is fairly decent. One additional lens might be Nikon's 55-200VR.
    If you weren't forced into getting the 18-55mm kit lens, Nikon's
    18-70mm lens would also have made a nice upgrade.

    But the difference between the D40 and the D40x is really pretty
    slight, and I might have chosen the D40 just so that when I got a
    chance to upgrade several years later, a future D90 or D300 would
    Certainly not. Either one makes an excellent first DSLR. And my
    first digital camera btw, a simple 2mp P&S with no manual features,
    cost more than your D40x kit. Today's a much better time to go
    camera shopping. :)
     
    ASAAR, Jun 26, 2007
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  20. It is alleged that ASAAR claimed:
    I do tend to crop my images. At least, I have up 'till now with the
    succession of P&S cameras I've had. And how large is large? I'm
    anticipating printing at up to ~8.5x11.
    Got that.
    Most of the photos I'm anticipating taking are going to be either close
    in or far away, with little in between. If I could have afforded the
    70-300 instead of the 55-200 VR, I'd have gotten it instead and
    sacrificed the 55-70 range. But even if I did consider the D40
    instead, the price difference isn't enough to bring the total cost
    within what I was willing to spend.
    Bear in mind that you're talking to someone who upgraded from a Treo
    650 to a Treo 680. +I+ think the differences were worth it, but others
    don't.
    My first digicam was a Sony DSC-D770. A massive P&S the same size and
    shape as an early DSLR, purchased from the Sony outlet store (for less
    than regular retail) and it cost about the same as I just paid for the
    D40x with a second lens and a protection plan. It was a 1.2MP camera.
    It did have a nice optional manual focus.

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