Need Image Storage Solution

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by stemscopesinteractives, Sep 18, 2013.

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    J. Clarke Guest

    Interesting. I just loaded that page and the layout is a little
    different with no ads that I can see. And that's without signing in.

    I tried it on my server and it reported several ad sites trying to open.
    So perhaps I owe Mayayana an apology. On the other hand it clearly
    works fine with my ad-blockers.
     
    J. Clarke, Sep 23, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    Savageduck, Sep 23, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    ....but very informational. What kid doesn't want to know what their
    house is worth? or a find pet friendly cottage in the UK?, or a luxury
    rental in South Africa? ;-)

    I guess you are seeing a more commercialized version of Flickr than I do.
     
    Savageduck, Sep 23, 2013
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    Savageduck Guest

    Well whatever ad-blockers might be working on my Mac, seem to be
    working well. I picked a few random shots from the Flickr "explore"
    page and found the usual shopping list of comments, but nary an ad. The
    comments can be avoided if you so choose.
    < http://www.flickr.com/photos/kristalong/9865930574/in/explore-2013-09-21 >
    < http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/9861396603/in/explore-2013-09-21 >
    < http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/9855074403/in/explore-2013-09-21 >

    Not even if I go to the "right-click" download page.
    <
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/9855074403/sizes/l/in/explore-2013-09-21/
    ....and the shots aren't too bad.
     
    Savageduck, Sep 23, 2013
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    Mayayana Guest

    | I tried it on my server and it reported several ad sites trying to open.
    | So perhaps I owe Mayayana an apology.

    No need. I think it's safe to say that we still rabidly
    disagree on all other points. :)
     
    Mayayana, Sep 23, 2013
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    Sandman Guest

    But we're not talking about "having" their own website - we're talking
    about *developing* their own website.

    "millions" of companies, organizations and individuals use existings
    tools such as Wordpress, Joomla and whatnot to power their websites.
    Only if your company is called Apple, Facebook, Google or something like
    that do you use a home-developed website system.

    For an organization that has a need for a photo management service
    online, developing and hosting it themselves is just plain stupid when
    there are tons of available *good* solutions already in place.
     
    Sandman, Sep 23, 2013
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    Sandman Guest

    I don't have any ad blocking, and can't get Flickr to show me ads...
     
    Sandman, Sep 23, 2013
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    Sandman Guest

    Of course. Here lies the conflict access problem.
    I suggested to have a look to Imatch pro first, the other images
    databases like those used by agency being a magnitude order more expensive.
    But I was just a suggestion, software has to be pondered regarding the
    needs and means of user.[/QUOTE]

    IMatch doesn't seem widespread, a quick google didn't show much, and
    suggested that it doesn't even have a Mac client. The screenshots looked
    like it was from 1990.
    Yes, but surely if you're going to suggest they run, operate and support
    their own server hardware, you have some good suggestions for what
    server software to install that meets their needs as stated?
    I does indeed :)
    Ok, but we still haven't seen what software that could be, even. So
    unless they have some examples of some really kick-ass server software
    that matches their need, which they can't get from an online solution,
    it's hard to see them consider this for this reason alone.
    BUt that presupposes they have web developers that can use these
    preinstalled tools to create the solution they need. Needlesstosay, if
    they had such people, they wouldn't really ask for a solution here.
    Don't know what you mean by safety, but privacy is fully supported by
    Flickr.
    Are you guessing or claiming? Either way, they would have the same
    "problem" with a company renting out VPS servers as well. They could go
    bust, change their billing and service coverage as well.
    You are free to doubt it as much as you like :)
    I doubt it. Flickr has a very serviceable interface themselves.
    Why? They could use Flickr as-is, without using the API for anything. My
    suggestions was for them to use the API to make daily/hourly backup of
    the collaboration data, that's all.
    :)
     
    Sandman, Sep 23, 2013
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    PeterN Guest

    As one herring said when another disappeared. "Am I my brother's kipper?"
     
    PeterN, Sep 23, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    don't you know that unless you create and maintain your own website
    entirely yourself, those companies will steal and exploit all of your
    personal information for their own financial gain.

    in fact, that's their sole purpose for existing.
     
    Guest, Sep 23, 2013
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    Mayayana Guest

    | > Your repeated use of that analogy is not applicable here.
    | > Running one's own website is not "reinventing the wheel",
    | > any more than it's reinventing the wheel to have your own
    | > car rather than take taxis, or cook your own food rather
    | > than eat out. Thousands, perhaps millions of companies,
    | > organizations and individuals find it makes sense to have
    | > their own website.
    |
    | But we're not talking about "having" their own website - we're talking
    | about *developing* their own website.
    |
    | "millions" of companies, organizations and individuals use existings
    | tools such as Wordpress, Joomla and whatnot to power their websites.
    | Only if your company is called Apple, Facebook, Google or something like
    | that do you use a home-developed website system.

    That's getting into the details of logistics. That's for the
    education company to figure out. That's their job. While it
    may not be worth your time to figure out how to set up a
    server with a database, it's a part of what this
    company is supposed to be doing for their business.

    And it's certainly not true
    that no one other than giant online corporations builds their
    own website. I have my own website, written from scratch.
    I could set up a server-side database, membership functions,
    shopping cart, etc. if I wanted to. My host provides most of
    that.
    I've built websites for others. Most people I know with small
    businesses (doctor, chiropractor, dentist, plumber, masseuse,
    etc.) have websites built by small web design companies that
    manage the whole thing and host it on a commercial webhosting
    service. (I'm not talking Wordpress. I'm talking about companies
    that basically rent out servers, providing maintenance, security,
    PHP, ASP and various other server-side tools, at a reasonable
    price. And the web designers actually manage the server-side
    functionality and file updates directly.) It was only a few years
    ago that one could set up one's own server with just a home
    cable connection, though most cable companies now prohibit
    that usage.

    Lots of entities have websites that are not just Wordpress
    clones. A Wordpress type of site is mainly for people who have a
    reason to maintain an active site, with frequent updates,
    commenting options, etc., and who are not technically minded.
    For instance, a journalist might set up a blog on Wordpress. I've
    never used Wordpress myself, but as I understand it that's not
    even really a website. It's more like having a Facebook page.

    With the company in question I'd expect them to have their
    own server, or to use a school's server. If not that than I'd
    expect them to at least arrange professional hosting and manage
    their own site.

    In a way, your position highlights the issues I've been
    addressing: Only 10 years ago the Internet consisted mainly
    of websites built and maintained by hobbyists, techies,
    artists, and the like. People would often create a site just
    to provide some information they had and thought might be
    useful to others. Most people could get a free site from their
    ISP. (My first website was on 5 MB of free space provided
    by Mindspring dial-up.)

    Google changed all that by creating good search and valuing
    sites based partly on the number of incoming links, which made
    many small, non-commercial sites simply disappear. As a result,
    in a few short years there is already a mainstream
    belief, voiced by yourself, nospam, J. Clarke and others here, that
    the Internet is an extremely technical set of commercial services,
    produced and managed by giant technology companies, and that
    it would be unrealistically challenging for anyone else to actually
    create their own website. **The Internet is not a commercial
    service, and a Facebook page is not a website. The Internet is
    a communications medium, and it's really not hard for you to have
    your own "front door" opening directly into the public sphere.**
     
    Mayayana, Sep 23, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    your host doesn't build individual web sites.
    then why don't you build a web site for the school.

    i'm sure they'll be very glad, especially when you inform them how
    you're saving innocent children from the predatory web sites who want
    to exploit them by showing them ads.

    good thing they don't watch tv.
    they generally can afford to do that.
    that is not free.
    there are a lot of non-technically minded users, which is why there are
    such services.
    who is going to pay for it?
    nonsense.

    people might have made their own 'sites' if you could even call it that
    on services like geocities. that was hardly building and maintaining a
    web site.
    nonsense again. plenty of small non-commercial sites are ranked high,
    because they're useful.

    the not so useful web sites, big or small, commercial or personal, are
    not surprisingly, ranked lower.
    i never said anything of the sort. stop lying.
    facebook pages communicate.
     
    Guest, Sep 23, 2013
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    Sandman Guest

    Hehe.

    Anyway. For someone *suggesting* that they should host their own
    solution, I'd think you'd at least have some suggestions, and given the
    fact that you claimed that most roll their own, perhaps you don't know
    that much about what server solutions there really are out there? You've
    spent a couple of posts now NOT giving examples.
    Well, good for you! I do, too. As you may guess, you and me represent
    not even a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of all the
    pages out there. And the trend going for some ten-fifteen years now is
    to move IT development OUT of the enterprise and buy turnkey solutions.

    As it is - I am a provider of such a turnkey solution.
    Even if *you* could, I can assure you that someone posting to
    rec.photo.digital about a image storage solution most likely can NOT,
    since it is highly unlikely they would even ask such a question then.
    There is no company in question, remember?
    Do you really think a non-profit K-12 Science curriculum project have
    access to a schools public web servers? That's just crazy talk :)
    True. I'd say it was about 15 years ago, though.
    It had nothing to do with Google, but with the pioneer web developers
    (like me) starting legitimate businesses and selling the hobby projects
    as full fledged web services to large companies, leaving out the hair
    dressers and plumbers. There are very very few that offer web building
    services to those potential clients because, well, there's no money in
    it.

    In short, the business grew up. Ready-made solutions popped up and made
    life simple for the big businesses and even the in-betweeners who now
    use a common platform.

    So the business employs an external web developer bureu that in turn
    implement a Joomla/wordpress/squarespace/episerver/whatever site for the
    client. Few develop their own code.
    It is. And I talk from decades of experience here. There was a time when
    the web was litered by young hobbyists that could build web sites
    quickly and easily. Those days are long gone now, and if you can find
    such a person today, they're using ready-made toolkits for their sites,
    not homebuilt codebases.
    It is extremely hard for a non-profit K-12 Science curriculum project to
    just throw up a self-developed web page when starting from zero.
    Especially if the motive is controlling 100% of the solution (i.e. not
    renting VPS from a hosting company). The talent you need is:

    1. Hardware
    Someone that buys, employs and maintains the hardware of the server

    2. Hosting
    Co-location for your hardware, that has uptime monitoring and downtime
    alerts

    3. Operating system
    Someone that can install and maintain a server operating system

    4. Server software
    Someone that can install and maintain the server software. Apache,
    MySQL, PHP and things like that.

    5. Web developer
    Someone that can build a web page system from scratch that fits the
    needs of the project.

    Remember, if you rent point 1-4 as a VPS, you are subject to the same
    TOS problems as with Flickr, they can end or change their service, or go
    out of business - just like Flickr

    Plus, point 5 is a huge one.
     
    Sandman, Sep 23, 2013
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    Mayayana Guest

    | Anyway. For someone *suggesting* that they should host their own
    | solution, I'd think you'd at least have some suggestions

    ??
    If a plumber asked about the best source of free drain cleaner
    I'd question why he doesn't figure out how to snake a drain like
    a real plumber. You're saying I must be an expert on snaking
    drains to bring up that point? It's not my job to figure it out
    and teach him. He's the plumber. :)
     
    Mayayana, Sep 23, 2013
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    Sandman Guest

    There is no "plumber" asking anything in this thread. a school project
    asked a question about image storage. Your answer was "do it yourself"
    without pointing to the tools they should use to to it themselves.

    My point is that there is no such tools. There are no ready-made
    install-on-your-VPS solutions for image storage because there are few
    that have the need for such a solution.

    And that's ignoring the obvious fact that even if there was such server
    software readily available, the person posting the question quite
    clearly lacks the expertise to implement it.
     
    Sandman, Sep 23, 2013
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    J. Clarke Guest

    Would you please quote _any_ statement by the original poster suggesting
    that he is a professional web developer?
     
    J. Clarke, Sep 23, 2013
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    Mayayana Guest

    | a school project
    | asked a question about image storage. Your answer was "do it yourself"
    | without pointing to the tools they should use to to it themselves.

    "I work for a non-profit K-12 Science curriculum project." Sounds to
    me like a company or a group of science people working with a grant;
    not a school project. I don't think a student doing a school project
    would refer to "working for a non-profit". We don't really know, since
    the OP seems to have abandoned the thread.

    In any case, I think I've said my piece as clearly as I can.
    It's in my earlier posts. I don't see any reason to debate *how*
    they might set up their site. (Especially since we have no idea
    of exactly what they need!) I was addressing the issue of
    professionalism and ethics in setting up school children with
    an ad-supported, commercial service.
     
    Mayayana, Sep 24, 2013
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    Mayayana Guest

    | Would you please quote _any_ statement by the original poster suggesting
    | that he is a professional web developer?
    |

    Who said professional web developer? ...See my last post
    to Sandman, directly above.
     
    Mayayana, Sep 24, 2013
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    J. Clarke Guest

    You're the one comparing him to a plumber asking questions about drain
    opener.
     
    J. Clarke, Sep 24, 2013
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    Sandman Guest

    I'm sure people actually living in the states may correct me here, but a
    K-12 school is a school that has grades from kindergarten (K) to grade
    12 (i.e. students up to 18-19 years old).

    Unless these are some really gifted students, I doubt they are
    scientists, even if we assume they are in 12th grade.
    Indeed. And regardless, it is clear from the OP that he/they are not
    tech-literate and don't have any money (otherwise, why mention the
    non-profit part?)
    Actually, quite the opposite. You have given empty advice without any
    examples or starting points. As I said - it amounts to "Do it yourself"
    and not a word about how one would go about to do it.

    You snip so aggressively in your followups, so I realize there is no
    need to continue ask you to give examples, since you'll just snip out me
    asking for it :)
    No "debate" needed, just a starting point. My specific question was
    *what* software they should install on their own server that meets their
    needs.
    Sure we do. An image storage solution that is:

    - Web based so that our writes from around the country can access
    our photo database.
    - Allow for multiple labels/tags to be assigned to images.
    - Allow for searching based on the tags/label.

    So, in order o get that, what should they install on their own server?
    I, on the other hand, is addressing the topic at hand - the needs for
    this specific poster.

    Anyway, snip away!
     
    Sandman, Sep 24, 2013
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