Need recommendation for web development software

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Paul Drake, Jun 26, 2007.

  1. Paul Drake

    Paul Drake Guest

    Hello All

    I am new to photography and website development. What web development
    software would you recommend for creating websites with lots of pictures?
    Can you give examples of good websites?

    Thanks.

    Paul
     
    Paul Drake, Jun 26, 2007
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    Paul Furman Guest

    This article was just posted here recently:
    http://www.dimagemaker.com/article.php?articleID=1034

    He suggests Dreamweaver as the specific answer to your question, my
    recommendation is keep it real simple & do hand coding using PHP & CSS
    for ease of updating & consistent style formatting. Use a PHP/MySQL
    gallery and or blogging freeware for organizing photo galleries &
    articles or keep your website very very simple & use something like
    pbase for the galleries or else it can get pretty overwhelming.

    Here's an example of keeping it really simple:
    http://awayfromkeyboard.com/
     
    Paul Furman, Jun 26, 2007
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    ray Guest

    IMHO - it is best to code your own HTML and CSS to do - you'll get much
    more efficient results that way, but I realaize you actually want some
    software to help you - my recommendations: stay away from MS frontpage -
    it is a major case of bloatware. I'd suggest you look at Mozilla composer.
    There are several Open Source products which are very good - amaya,
    quanta, bluefish, nvu, screem.
     
    ray, Jun 27, 2007
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    Paul Furman Guest

    I use PsPad as an editor, it's shareware & has a few features for global
    search & replace across multiple files, intenting & color highlighting
    for PHP coding... probably there is something better for an html editor,
    anyways it's just a bit better than notepad really, that's all you need.
    Things like Frontpage & Dreamweaver will make your code so complex, it
    becomes illegible. The idea is to keep it simple & clean. Mostly it does
    not involve typing code letter by letter, you will just be copying &
    pasting from other people's examples. Keep everything clean and properly
    indented & you will be fine. Figure out a simple menu & header system to
    automate that part on each page... 'include' is a super easy PHP method
    that will save lots of time & keep things clean & easy to change:

    include ("header.php");

    so then your page might look like this:

    <html>

    <head>
    <title> thispage </title>
    <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="mystyles.css">
    </head>

    <body>
    <php?
    include ("header.php");
    include ("home.php");
    ?>
    </body>

    </html>

    And you'd have files for header, home & styles, etc...

    Keep it clean like this & you can build on it easily, edit the CSS style
    sheet & all your pages change appearance without a redundant mess of
    code. No program will give you clean code like this and it's easier to
    figure out than one of those messy programs anyways.
     
    Paul Furman, Jun 27, 2007
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    Rob Morley Guest

    A bit too simple, I think - it's a bit like Russian roulette, or a phone
    book that isn't in alphabetical order.
     
    Rob Morley, Jun 27, 2007
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    Stan Beck Guest

    Well, there is Dreamweaver - expensive, but I hear that most people like it,
    in spite of a steep learning curve.

    MS FrontPage 2003 - better price, and is most compatible with IE, and better
    than older versions. (most people are using IE these days compared to years
    ago when everyone was using Netscape).

    For a quick little text editor that has a library of HTML code snips built
    in, there is Note Tab - freeware, but a powerful little editor that has
    global editing capabilities:

    http://www.notetab.com/

    --
    The smaller the fine print, the less you will like what it says.

    Stan Beck > From New Orleans to Brandon MS
    To reply, remove 101 from address.
    ***
     
    Stan Beck, Jun 27, 2007
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    Rob Morley Guest

    He wants something to generate HTML, not inflexible incompatible crap.
    Microsoft never seemed to figure out that HTML isn't supposed to be the
    same as DTP with added whistles and bells.
    But according to recent stats less than 70% of people now use IE as
    their main browser - do you really want to risk blocking 30% of
    potential visitors to your site?
     
    Rob Morley, Jun 27, 2007
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    Gordon Guest

    However that ~30% is spread over 6 to 8 or more different web browsers
    with FireFox leading those other browsers with somewhere around ~10% of
    the total market share.

    Actually FP2003 is being phased out for two new packages:

    "What happened to FrontPage?

    After nine years of being an award-winning Web authoring tool, FrontPage
    will be discontinued in late 2006. We will continue to serve the diverse
    needs of our existing FrontPage customers with the introduction of two
    brand-new application building and Web authoring tools using the latest
    technologies: Office SharePoint Designer 2007 for the enterprise
    information workers and Expression Web for the professional Web designer."

    Microsoft Office SharePoint Designer 2007

    Microsoft Expression Web

    http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/frontpage/default.aspx

    Jim
     
    Gordon, Jun 27, 2007
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    Rob Morley Guest

    AFAIK none of those browsers encourages breaking the W3C standards in
    the way that successive versions of IE and FP have. Now that more
    people realise that the IE "user experience" consists largely of bloat
    and security problems, web authors have less of an excuse to use MS's
    bastardized version of HTML "because it's what everyone expects".
     
    Rob Morley, Jun 27, 2007
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    Joel Guest

    I have 3 browsers (IE, Opera, FireFox) installed on my system, and I use
    FireFox more often *not* because I love FireFox more than other but it's
    just ok for my need.

    - Opera is kinda ok too, but once awhile it kills itself for whatever reason
    I don't know. And it doesn't work with some commercial java script that I
    need to log-in to do some online work

    - FireFox is kinda ok in general, but it has memory leak that I have to
    close it after running for some hours, else it's not only blowing itself up
    (using more memory) but eating lot of system resource. And similar to
    Opera, FireFox doesn't work with all java script so I have to use IE to
    handle the java issue.

    - IE, I have no problem with IE except I like the option to have all sites
    in single_icon. IE 7 has similar option but because I don't like to give MS
    more access to my system so I stopped using IE7.
     
    Joel, Jun 27, 2007
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    Stan Beck Guest

    --
    The smaller the fine print, the less you will like what it says.

    Stan Beck > From New Orleans to Brandon MS
    To reply, remove 101 from address.
    ***


    Interesting.

    When I first started building my websites, MS IE had approximately 3% of the
    market, but it grew because it came free with Windows - that was, IFIRC,
    part of a lawsuit against MS & Bill Gates some years ago.

    I didn't like the code that FrontPage generated - too bloated, and too many
    bells and whistles that couldn't be seen by most browsers. I used Hot Metal
    Pro, which is no longer available. Since I lost my computer and all
    software in Katrina, I had to find something to use, and I picked up
    FrontPage 2003, since I know that most users today can see the page as it
    was built. Some years back, around 2000 or so, a lot of pages built with
    FrontPage came up blank when viewed in Netscape, and those that were visible
    usually had some bizarre formatting interpretations. I hated to have to go
    rework pages to try to get them to look the same in several browsers.

    I still don't like FrontPage, but it is better than older versions. My
    preference would be something without the MS brand, but I'm only building
    sites for myself these days, so I'm not going to pour a lot of money into
    it.

    IFIRC, doesn't Adobe still have web authoring software, aside form
    Dreamweaver, which they acquired?

    BTW, thanks for the link. I didn't know about this.
     
    Stan Beck, Jun 27, 2007
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    Paul Furman Guest

    It's really just a chronological blog. I agree it's ridiculously simple
    but it's easy to go back & see what his new stuff is & no chance of
    getting lost or confused by the overly complex navigation system <grin>
    and no chance of loading wrong in different browsers!
     
    Paul Furman, Jun 27, 2007
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    ray Guest

    See www.pocatelloarts.org for an example of what CSS might do for you.

    I might also mention software for generating galleries. I use 'imageindex'
    which, I believe is a pearl script.
     
    ray, Jun 27, 2007
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    Paul Furman Guest

    Yes, great example.

    http://www.edwinh.org/imageindex/

    It is a perl script but it generates static pages. I'd recommend
    something like php based 'gallery' which generates dynamic pages on the
    server so it's easier to integrate changes when you make improvements or
    changes to the site. I wrote my own php galleries for my sites below but
    it's not easy & lacks tons of features like being able to upload files
    from a web interface & user login with restricted galleries. The
    edgehill site uses no database, the baynatives site, we hired a guy to
    get me up to speed with that & the login & shopping cart but it's still
    pretty crude and I wouldn't really recommend attempting that without a
    substantial budget. It is nice to have full control though & I knew
    enough to pull it off without breaking the bank.
     
    Paul Furman, Jun 27, 2007
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    Gordon Guest

    been using JAlbum. Java app, I think.

    Jim
     
    Gordon, Jun 27, 2007
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    Gordon Guest

    While my primary authoring tool is DW, I've used FP since it was in
    beta, '96. it is possible to turn off those unwanted features. FP was
    the only wysiwyg for quite a while.

    Jim
     
    Gordon, Jun 27, 2007
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    Rob Morley Guest

    It may have been wYsiwYg, but as for what other people saw with their
    different browsers and platforms ...
    ;-)
     
    Rob Morley, Jun 28, 2007
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    jrblack10 Guest

    DreamWeave is nice but costly.
    FrontPage... I wouldn't suggest this to anyone.

    I would recommend Visual Web Developer Express Edition from
    Microsoft. It is free and uses the latest .NET technology. If you
    want your site to utilize a database for dynamic content, then I would
    recommend SQL Server Express Edition. Both of these are free. Both
    ASP.NET and SQL Express are supported on many hosting plans starting
    at $5/month. They even supply "Starter Sets", like Personal Web Site,
    and Club Web Site and more.

    Visual Web Developer
    http://www.asp.net/downloads/essential.aspx?tabid=62

    Starter Kits
    http://www.asp.net/downloads/starterkits/default.aspx?tabid=62


    If all you want is simple and free ways to build galleries to put on a
    web site, Adobe LightRoom includes an export function that exports a
    collection of photos to HTML format gallery or a FLASH gallery file.

    Just my 2 cents from a web developer and photographer.

    Jim
     
    jrblack10, Jun 29, 2007
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    Gordon Guest

    Adobe LightRoom is free? I did not know that.

    Jim
     
    Gordon, Jun 29, 2007
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    Joel Guest

    I read the OP say "Free Way" *not* free software, and many graphic viewers
    have the option to create HTML gallery, web slideshow etc.. But to me
    $30-40 a year to pay for a photo hosting web would be a simple way.

    I haven't done any HTML coding for over a decade to know much what has
    changed, but I had several web sites before. Now, my ISP offer 20MB space
    for the web which is about enough to hold 7-15 of my photos, so I subscribed
    to a unlimited photo hosting and now have around 15-17GB of photos online.
     
    Joel, Jun 29, 2007
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