New 50mm Lens From Nikon

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Manzoorul Hassan, Jan 17, 2008.

  1. Interesting data, thanks. A point that posters often miss is that
    image stabilisation systems will vary in the detailed parameters of
    their operation between camera manufacturers, and between
    implementations in different bodies and lenses.
     
    Chris Malcolm, Jan 22, 2008
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  2. The problem of course is that, for example, taking one shot with a short
    lens at slow shutter speed with VR (or whatever) on and a second shot with
    it off, and then comparing the two, proves nothing since at slow speeds
    there's bound to be substantial difference in noticeable loss from camera
    shake from one shot to the next anyway. So the non-stabilized shot *might*
    be just as sharp as the stabilized one, or not. It's a percentage thing.

    This incidentally is the great thing about Best Shot Selector in Nikon's
    Coolpix models. It really does work as a kind of poor man's "image
    stabilization" by saving only the sharpest in a series of shots.

    But in a camera without BSS, when I take a number of shots at 28mm (equiv.)
    at around 1/8 second hand held and they are *all* satisfactorily sharp, that
    proves to me that the stabilization method (whatever) is giving me results I
    could not have gotten without it. I know I can't hand-hold a 28
    non-stabilized at 1/8 and *consistently* get results that sharp.

    Neil
     
    Neil Harrington, Jan 22, 2008
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  3. Manzoorul  Hassan

    user Guest

    Exactly .... I've done the statistics for my own hands and lenses,
    and IS works even down to 24mm, though it does get progressively
    less panacea-like below 50mm.

    Doug McDonald
     
    user, Jan 22, 2008
    #83
  4. No, you do a double-blind test by taking 20 shots (10 on-10 off) while
    having a friend randomly set the switch and covering it with black tape so
    you can't see it. Now pick correctly all 20-shots. If you can't you can be
    assured VR isn't working at 50mm and wider.





    Rita
     
    Rita Berkowitz, Jan 22, 2008
    #84
  5. Manzoorul  Hassan

    Pete D Guest

    Yes, but I am sure I said that.......
    Sure it is when I use my tripod.
     
    Pete D, Jan 23, 2008
    #85
  6. Manzoorul  Hassan

    Pete D Guest

    And I note that good technique was around a long time before IS/VR.
     
    Pete D, Jan 23, 2008
    #86
  7. These, ah, copy machines (e.g. 1D Mk III and 40D) have a large
    assortment of lenses to choose from.

    Nikon copy machines obviously have a more limited amount of these.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jan 23, 2008
    #87
  8. Ah, so you picked one shot wrong. A success rate of less than
    100 percent is failure. Slavery is freedom.

    Did you do that double blind test with 60mm?

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jan 23, 2008
    #88
  9. [18-200mm]
    No wonder --- Canon has not yet released an 18-200mm class lens!
    Ritachen, your snide remarks need an IQ booster.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jan 23, 2008
    #89
  10. NONSENSE! I'm giving Canon the benefit of the doubt since they released the
    highly problematic and recalled 24-105/4L IS. Even though Nikon's 18-200 is
    a piece of shit Canon's equivalent (24-105/4) is even worse.





    Rita
     
    Rita Berkowitz, Jan 23, 2008
    #90
  11. A 100% hit rate is mandatory to eliminate lucky shots.
    Getting consistent 100% hit rates at 51mm and longer.





    Rita
     
    Rita Berkowitz, Jan 23, 2008
    #91
  12. Manzoorul  Hassan

    Kinon O'Cann Guest

    Fatass, how many times have I told you that your trolls must have some basis
    in reality in order to hook unsuspecting posters into one of you series of
    endless "stupidfests." Find another lens to criticize, and try again.

    Gee, people might think you're stupid. Then again, just leave the 24-105 at
    home, grab that 50 and "foot zoom."
     
    Kinon O'Cann, Jan 23, 2008
    #92
  13. Don't tell me you were stupid enough to buy the 24-105/4? You know, Canon
    will replace that for free with an "improved" one since it has been under a
    major recall for years?
    Now we're talking! The "Fabulous 50 Foot Zoomer" is the lens to have.




    Rita
     
    Rita Berkowitz, Jan 23, 2008
    #93
  14. Using a tripod is not a substitute for VR.

    Neil
     
    Neil Harrington, Jan 23, 2008
    #94
  15. Not only it's not a substitute for VR, I doubt it even qualifies as a
    "technique."

    I prefer taking the elevator to using the stairs. So is taking the elevator
    a "technique"? I don't think so.

    Neil
     
    Neil Harrington, Jan 23, 2008
    #95
  16. At what shutter speeds?

    Are you actually saying that you've done such testing at increments of 1
    millimeter, all else being equal for each shot, and all of a sudden, SHAZAM!
    at 51mm the VR produces sharp results every time while it did not at 50 or
    49mm?

    That is very, very, very hard to believe.

    Make that very, very, very, VERY hard to believe.

    Neil
     
    Neil Harrington, Jan 23, 2008
    #96
  17. Nikon doesn't make copy machines. Or fax machines. Or inkjet printers.

    What's next for Canon? Toasters? Dishwashers?

    Neil
     
    Neil Harrington, Jan 23, 2008
    #97
  18. Manzoorul  Hassan

    Kinon O'Cann Guest

    heh, heh...

    I'm sitting in my office, looking at my wall, where a 4 x 6 foot poster
    hangs. A scene from the Maine coast taken with the horrible 24-105.
    Amazingly sharp, it's beautiful. Again, your fatass posts has no basis in
    reality. I expect more from you than bad pics.

    Amazingly, not even the 24mm wide end on a 5D can capture your entire ass.
    Well, maybe the left hand area area code, but not both.
    Glad to see you sunken to aping Brett. Sheesh...
     
    Kinon O'Cann, Jan 23, 2008
    #98
  19. Their cameras _invent_ the pictures they shoot? And it almost
    looks like what the photographer framed? Magic! Gotta patent
    it fast!
    A company with more than one leg usually isn't as wobbly.

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jan 24, 2008
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  20. ["Followup-To:" header set to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems.]

    It may be rare to throw a (non-doctored) coin 20 times and get
    heads 20 times in a row. So once you done that, what's the
    chance the next throw will be heads again? Answer me that!
    carefully choosen ones.
    No, that's standard Rita-quality of argument and truth ---
    what do you expect from the (imagined) head of the (unreal)
    Nikon Ministry For Truth And Propaganda?

    -Wolfgang
     
    Wolfgang Weisselberg, Jan 24, 2008
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