New camcorder suggestions

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Luis Ortega, Feb 1, 2009.

  1. I have seen none of these. "Manual" is manual...
    The Canon HV30, while not easily permitting selection of *both*
    aperture and shutter speed at the same time, *does* permit locking
    the exposure at a chosen aperture or the shutter speed at a chosen
    shutter speed **and** then simultaneously locking the exposure
    overall (gain, aperture, and shutter speed) - and you can then apply
    any shift in the locked exposure that is desired in partial stop
    increments. This is done easily (once one has become used to the
    finicky joystick operation), but it cannot be done during taping.
    The same control is used to "lock and shift" the audio level to many
    available levels, and once this is engaged, the automatic audio gain
    control is defeated (which doesn't work all that well, anyway...).
    With these cameras, especially with HD, you will soon appreciate
    the better job "I-AF" can do compared with manual focus.
    I prefer the rocker of the TRV-900 (more range, without running
    out of "twist" range). I never used the ring on my VX2000s, preferring
    the rocker. The zoom controls of all types on newer camcorders
    are motor-driven, not directly connected (until you get into separate
    pro lenses). BTW, the HV30 does something neat. Its slowest
    of three zoom speeds is unusually slow for a camcorder, and **that
    speed can be made the ONLY speed**, so you can "mash" the
    (rather poor) zoom control, and it gives the nice smoothly
    starting/stopping zoom "crawl" that I prefer. You can also lock in
    either of the other two speeds, or leave the zoom variable, if you
    want.
    AV out, but I don't know of any HD camcorder with an input
    other than FireWire (or USB for AVCHD).
    Firewire out for transferring files, and HDMI for sound+video
    out to a TV. There is a mic input, but unfortunately, no Lanc port.
    Agreed!!! 8^) (I ignore them.)
    See above.
    Also add looking at reviews, although many cover "where the buttons
    are" and leave out performance, or worse, include gushing ad hype.
    I try to be thorough with my reviews, and include the good and bad.
    Essentially I'm saying that it offers what a TRV-900 did, but with a
    FAR better picture. It is NOT perfect (but then what is...? ;-), and it
    is NOT as good as the Panasonic of interest to you, but consider
    that one in a different way...;-) What if someone GAVE you the best
    portable 35mm wide-screen camera. Then you shoot some great
    footage with it. Now what? Can you edit it at all? If you manage to
    do so, can you retain much of the original quality? Do you then have
    a way to distribute cheaply the product? THAT is what I have been
    trying to get at, NOT that I'm recommending the HV30 specifically
    for you. I'm recommending that you look at the formats and their
    advantages and disadvantages BEFORE choosing the camera. You
    may still return to your first choice, but you will be better informed
    about the pitfalls of your choice...
    --DR
     
    David Ruether, Feb 3, 2009
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  2. Gee, I thought you would know your camera better...;-) It does have
    manual control of audio level (plus a selectable input mic pad), and
    the AGC is defeated when manual control of the audio level is
    selected, just as the auto video exposure (and gain) is disabled when
    manual override of the exposure is selected.
    It's a "steal", if in good shape! ;-)
    --DR
     
    David Ruether, Feb 3, 2009
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  3. Ah, but you have promised this before....! 8^)
    Hmmm. To give an illustration, suppose that someone comes
    here and asks, "Can I get great video footage of my cat by aiming
    my very fancy garbage can directly at it and rapidly drawing
    successive images of it in the inside using my finger in the glop
    that I find there, and then transfer them by garden hose to the
    inside of my old XT computer, and use Final Cut Pro to make
    Blu-ray disks of the resulting edit?" 8^) So, you would have me
    directly answer every part of this without considering that there
    may be better alternatives to consider along the way? 8^)
    (Except maybe AVCHD, of course...8^) I think that is what
    you are telling me to do (nay, *insisting* that I do - although
    it is not your place to do that...). I will post as I wish, and you
    may post as you wish - but you MAY NOT tell me how or
    what to post! You may, of course, post material that does not
    agree with mine - but to insist on a certain posting approach
    (yours...) for anyone here is unacceptable.
    [Much further "grumpy" response deleted...]
    See above. If it is rather common knowledge that the 24 Mbps
    AVCHD format still has issues, and since a MUCH superior
    format in terms of ease of working with it exists, why would
    you think it not appropriate to point this out??? You seem to
    be the one with "a single solution", even though it has proven
    inferior to HDV at lower data rates (and is also harder to edit
    even then than HDV), and it presents some high hurdles for
    most of us to edit at data rates that make it comparable to HDV
    quality. I do read - and I also consider options beyond the
    writer's exact request that he may not have considered. I think
    it appropriate to think about, and explore, extensions from the
    original posts - especially with few indications of his knowledge
    and of his gear/software often being given in early-on posts in
    a thread. I, too, think we have "killed" this topic, and enough
    has been written on it before repetition becomes too severe...;-)
    (But, "Smarty" *will* respond anyway...8^)
    --DR
     
    David Ruether, Feb 3, 2009
    #23
  4. Luis Ortega

    Luis Ortega Guest

    Thank you. I think that I am going to have to get to a store to handle
    the HV30 and see how the manual controls work.
     
    Luis Ortega, Feb 3, 2009
    #24
  5. Luis Ortega

    Smarty Guest

    Let's do this point by point David since you are the master of digression.

    Where did I previously promise this? I reviewed all of my prior posts and I
    made no such promise.

    Smarty
     
    Smarty, Feb 3, 2009
    #25
  6. [I will add a comment for "Smarty" elsewhere, but I'm writing
    this to you first...;-]
    I just downloaded many clips taken with the Panasonic (from a
    VERY slow server, unfortunately, but it was worth it). I don't
    know if the clips were shot at 17 Mbps or 24 Mbps (they don't
    look astoundingly sharp...), but they do play smoothly on my
    computer, making editing practical for me (if this represents
    what 24 Mbps is like without using proxy files, which are
    too unsharp for me). If these clips, at --
    http://www.tulsaweddingvideos.com/HMC150preview/index.php
    are at the higher data rate - and if Blu-ray disks, or HD files
    of edited video, or card transport and playback from the
    camera are OK, then AVCHD 24 Mbps does appear to be
    quite practical, and you may want to look further into the
    Panasonic camcorder you first mentioned. It certainly can
    shoot in much lower light than the HV30, if nothing much else.
    (BTW, the clips compare 24p, 30p, and 60i - and I will
    never understand the appeal of the jittery slow frame rate "p"
    modes...! ;-)
    --DR
     
    David Ruether, Feb 3, 2009
    #26
  7. I just downloaded all the files at this site (whew, is that server
    S - L - O - W ! ! !). How do you know that these files were
    shot at 24 Mbps? (Most don't look astoundingly sharp...),
    but if they are at 24 Mbps, they play just fine on my computer,
    and editing with these files should be easy if this represents
    what 24 Mbps is like without using proxy files (which would
    be too unsharp for my liking). If these files are at the higher
    data rate - and if Blu-ray disks, or HD files of edited video,
    or card transport and playback from the camera are OK,
    then AVCHD 24 Mbps may be quite practical. BUT, I
    have been unable so far to figure out a way to export AVCHD
    files with Sony Vegas Pro 8 with 24 Mbps data rate. Without
    that, nothing (for me...). The clips do show that the low light
    range of the Panasonic 150 is quite good, but the test clips
    for 24p and 30p compared with 60i do make me wonder,
    once again, what the appeal of jittery slow frame rate "p"
    mode video is...
    --DR
     
    David Ruether, Feb 3, 2009
    #27
  8. Luis Ortega

    sgordon Guest

    : I have seen none of these. "Manual" is manual...

    What sort of white balance adjustment(s) are possible?
     
    sgordon, Feb 4, 2009
    #28
  9. {Re: Canon HV30]
    Presets plus manual lock.
    --DR
     
    David Ruether, Feb 4, 2009
    #29
  10. Luis Ortega

    mkujbida Guest


    Luis, here's another followup to this.
    The current edition of event DV magazine has a n article titled "Using
    the AVCHD Format in Final Cut Pro".
    You can read it at http://www.eventdv.net/Articles/New...g-the-AVCHD-Format-in-Final-Cut-Pro-52450.htm
    http://tinyurl.com/auwalt is the above link is broken.

    Mike
     
    mkujbida, Feb 4, 2009
    #30
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