New Canon Rebel XS Owner

Discussion in 'Canon' started by Taliesin2, May 17, 2009.

  1. Taliesin2

    Taliesin2 Guest

    Got myself a Canon Rebel XS today at Best Buy. I have a few

    1. I know it can take photos in RAW format. But does it do so
    by default???

    2. After reading the manual, there is no mention on time frames
    on charging the battery once the charge is depleted. How long
    does a full charge take?

    3. Is Aperture better than iPhoto? Is it worth than the money?

    4. What would your advice to a new owner be?

    Any help is appreciated.

    Taliesin2, May 17, 2009
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  2. Taliesin2

    tony cooper Guest

    Regarding Question #1, my advice is: read the manual again. You
    obviously skipped a chapter. On #2, most battery chargers have an
    indicator light telling you the battery is fully charged. On #4, read
    the manual again and get to know your camera before you ask more
    tony cooper, May 17, 2009
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  3. Taliesin2

    tony cooper Guest

    I was torn. He said he read the manual (which is more than most do),
    but the RAW question is in the manual (which indicates that he skimmed
    the manual), so I gave him a break.

    I like his enthusiasm, but he should really wait until the battery is
    fully charged before charging in here with questions.

    I've had my camera for over a year, but I keep the manual in the car
    so I have it when I shoot. I still read it. I know it's not a manly
    thing to read a manual so I keep it wrapped in an old Playboy
    tony cooper, May 17, 2009
  4. Taliesin2

    the Omrud Guest

    FWIW Taliesin was a 6th Century Welsh bard. So his eyesight is probably
    getting a little weak now.
    the Omrud, May 17, 2009
  5. Taliesin2

    Hari Seldon Guest

    I have to thank you!

    Never thought of the possibility to wrap the manual in de Hooter-mag...

    From now on, I will go further than shooting in P-mode!

    Hari Seldon, May 17, 2009
  6. Taliesin2

    tony cooper Guest

    I dunno. The ignorance level in some people is astoundingly high
    about things they can afford to buy. My neighbor bought his first
    boat last summer. I don't know boats, but it was had a
    cabin and an inboard motor.

    He brought it home on a trailer and tried to back it into his
    driveway, but the trailer wouldn't go backwards. He was spinning the
    truck's wheels and jerking back and forth. The trailer wheels
    wouldn't turn, and they were sliding over the pavement and smoking.
    All the neighbors were watching and laughing. This went on for about
    45 minutes.

    Finally, some neighbor who knew something about boats and trailers
    came by and flipped a switch on the trailer. It had some lock-up
    mechanism that braked the trailer in reverse in case the trailer came
    off the trailer hitch. A safety switch. After that was flipped, the
    trailer backed up smoothly.

    The neighbor boat-owner later ran the boat over some mooring lines and
    damaged the prop. He sold the boat after about two months of

    Just because you can afford to buy a fancy camera or boat doesn't mean
    you are qualified to operate one.
    tony cooper, May 17, 2009
  7. Taliesin2

    Peter Guest

    My best in that vein took place a few years ago. Some woman with a full
    camera bag on wheels, and a brand new D2 equipped with an 80-400 lens, came
    over and said the thought her camera was broken because the indicator on top
    kept reading "EE."

    We talked for a while after I quickly solved that problem.* Turned out she
    was a doctor's wife who had just purchased all this equipment in hopes of
    becoming a professional. I must have spent an hour just showing her some of
    the basics.

    For those who are unaware, certain Nikon lenses must have the aperture set
    to f32, or you get that error message.
    Peter, May 17, 2009
  8. Taliesin2

    Ofnuts Guest

    No, but it's not difficult to change the setting, and it remains that
    way until you change it back.
    From memory about one hour and half.
    I don't use either.
    Read the manual. Take a few shots. Re-read the manual. Then ask
    questions here (with a pointer to the pictures, if necessary)
    Ofnuts, May 17, 2009
  9. Taliesin2

    Joel Guest

    I don't have Rebel to know much about it, but default or not is just a
    quick setup.
    I don't time, and don't pay much attention to the time frame. But about
    charging battery, I know when it stop blinking, and time frame you may check
    with web page like or similar. Or I would start with
    I don't have iPhoto to know the quality if iPhoto to compare
    Enjoy it. And if you want to spend $$$ on lens then go for the top-nothch
    *not* the cheapie one.
    Joel, May 17, 2009
  10. "Taliesin2"
    I just purchased one about a month ago.

    It's selectable. Read the manual. RAW is a little deep for me, right now.

    It depends on how much you depilated it. One of the most difficult things in
    electronics is to tell how low a battery is. Just stick it on the charger
    and watch the little light.

    This depends on your previous experience. I went from film (dark room -
    enlarger) to digital. You've purchased a computer that takes pictures. You'll
    have to learn the software.

    Jerry 'n Vegas
    Jerry Sturdivant, May 18, 2009
  11. "tony cooper"

    I considered the manual an abbreviation. I went to the bookstore and
    purchased the thickest one I could find on the Rebel. In this case Rebel
    XSi/450D for dummies. (Never thought I purchase one of those books).

    That's what I did with the "Dummies" book. But I keep reading the Playboy.

    Jerry (looking at the fold-out) 'n Vegas
    Jerry Sturdivant, May 18, 2009
  12. Taliesin2

    DRS Guest

    You have a hairy battery? Surely you could recharge it merely by rubbing it
    DRS, May 18, 2009
  13. Taliesin2

    MeaningWhat Guest

    my advice is to use the battery until the camera shuts down. this is a
    sure sign that the battery is almost depleted.

    about how long it takes to recharge.. until the red light on the charger
    turns green. a couple of hours.

    my advice: buy a spare battery. and a spare sd card. then nothing bad
    can happen.
    MeaningWhat, May 18, 2009
  14. Taliesin2

    Joel Guest

    I don't know about the Li-Ion battery but years ago I did some reading
    about some rechargeable battery and some suggests not to complete brain the
    battery (I believe many or most battery companies mention this too) as it
    may cause some damage to the battery (shorten the life of the battery).

    And I agree with you about the *extra* memory card and extra battery as
    they are dirt cheap these days to stress our head worrying thing need not to
    Joel, May 19, 2009
  15. "Joel"
    The batteries in the old days would charge - discharge - charge, to a
    certain level. If they weren't discharged 'deep' enough, they 'retained' a
    memory and part of the battery (the 'deeper' part was lost). So the 'tech'
    manual would say to "Bump" the battery by connecting a wire across the
    terminals (with a resister) and drain the battery all they way down in order
    to gain the full 'depth' of the battery when recharged.

    It's been a number of years since I was into the technician buss. but I
    believe I've read where the new batteries are no longer susceptible to 'use

    Jerry 'n Vegas
    Jerry Sturdivant, May 20, 2009
  16. Taliesin2

    John D. Guest

    Actually, it's not f/32 that's required, it's whatever the smallest
    aperture available on the lens in use. And you should lock it there.

    John D., May 22, 2009
  17. Taliesin2

    Hawk Guest

    Memory effect in Ni-Cad's for the most part was a misnomer.

    The only well documented cases of this phenomena occurred with very
    early versions of these cells in powering satellite electronics in
    space. In this application the charge/discharge of the cells were
    tightly regimented and did in fact reveal this issue in early battery
    chemistry and configurations.

    In the last couple of decades most battery capacity issues seem to get
    slapped with the explanation of memory effect when in fact it was due to
    an issue separate from the intrinsic cell design.

    The majority of multi-cell Ni-Cad battery pack problems boil down to one
    simple thing, capacity mismatch.

    When cells are manufactured they naturally vary somewhat in usable
    capacity. Over time these variations tend to become exaggerated (which
    can be due to numerous issues). The battery pack will reach a point
    where 1 or more cells are delivering significantly lower usable capacity
    than the rest of the pack.

    If the device that is being powered by the pack allows the battery
    voltage to be discharged too low you can actually reach a point where
    the weakest cell(s) no longer provides current to the load and is
    effectively being charged in reverse. This reverse charging helps to
    further degrade the performance of the cell and ultimately the usable
    life of the entire assembly. When 1 or more cells cease to deliver load
    current the rest of the pack is effectively charging them backwards if
    the device continues to run.

    The larger the number of cells in a serial string, the harder it becomes
    to detect when a cell has "dropped out" and is no longer helping to
    supply the load. In an application that only requires say 2 or 3 cells,
    the device will usually shut off instantly if you lose a cell so the
    pack generally provides a longer service life. If you have a pack of 10
    cells, you could lose one cell completely and the device will continue
    to run normally (all the while pushing current in reverse through that

    Having matched cells in a battery assembly can help to prolong the
    overall usable life of the pack, but even matched cells will get trashed
    relatively quickly by equipment that overdischarges the pack. Even a
    set of matched cells will eventually develop a weakling.

    The ideal method to prevent this would be to monitor the voltage of each
    cell individually and shut down the device when the first cell goes
    "flat", but in mass produced consumer electronics they are not willing
    to add the extra cost required for that into the product.

    Damn, I didn't mean to ramble this much...

    Hawk, Jun 8, 2009
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