New D-70 - Lots of problems

Discussion in 'Photography' started by Herman de Vries, Mar 23, 2005.

  1. Herman de Vries

    Kitt Guest

    What's a 'sbob'?

    Chief among them is your lack of ability.

    Can't stand the laughter? People mistake your twenty five year old
    rangefinder for a Fuji disposable?


    Kitt, Mar 28, 2005
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  2. Herman de Vries

    Owamanga Guest

    Dude, are you drunk or something?

    What time zone are you in - it's still morning here.

    I can't think of one art that is entirely hand-made. Art really has no
    rules. You can arrange a set of used car tires into the shape of a
    submarine and call the result art. I can cut out a shape from a $20
    bill and call it art. I can put some bells on my feet, dance around
    slapping my thighs with a group of guys from the village and call it

    "Photographs are produced by lenses?" This is no more true than
    suggesting that paintings are produced by brushes or music is produced
    by violins.

    A violin makes noise. A brush moves paint. A lens changes the
    direction of light. All are tools of an art. The human is an
    *essential* part of the process.
    Owamanga, Mar 28, 2005
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  3. Herman de Vries

    Cynicor Guest

    Painting is not art and cannot be art. Art is entirely man-made/hand-made.
    Paintings are produced by brushes.
    Cynicor, Mar 28, 2005
  4. Herman de Vries

    UC Guest

    Nope, they are not. A brush has no image-forming potential whatsoever.
    And a painting is not an 'image'.
    UC, Mar 28, 2005
  5. Herman de Vries

    Fitpix Guest

    Not true! Paintings are made w paint! Paint is man made so we don't even
    need to mention the brushes!LOL
    Fitpix, Mar 28, 2005
  6. Herman de Vries

    Cynicor Guest

    Cynicor, Mar 28, 2005
  7. Herman de Vries

    Cynicor Guest

    So you're saying that this isn't fine art? Then why did my house builder
    have it hanging in his office?
    Cynicor, Mar 28, 2005
  8. Herman de Vries

    Mike Kohary Guest

    I don't understand this line of reasoning. Best Buy (unlike Radio Shack)
    doesn't sell its own brand of merchandise. If I buy a Canon camera there,
    it's the same Canon camera I might buy somewhere else. As for Radio Shack,
    you could argue that their own manufactured products are inferior (and I'd
    agree), but again, if they're selling a brand name, it's the same brand name
    as any other store. Can you elaborate on your logic here, or is it just an
    irrational bias?
    Mike Kohary, Mar 29, 2005
  9. Herman de Vries

    Mike Kohary Guest

    Define "inferior". Digital is a more accurate representation of audio than
    any analog system, so by that measure, analog is "inferior". I'd suspect
    that's the measure most people use, but feel free to explain what you're
    measuring it by. I'd be interested to know.
    Mike Kohary, Mar 29, 2005
  10. Herman de Vries

    Mike Kohary Guest

    Apology accepted. Now, Fitpix, here's a trout being slapped upside your
    head. <smack!> Stop feeding the troll! ;)
    Mike Kohary, Mar 29, 2005
  11. Herman de Vries

    BillB Guest

    Mike, I bought a camera in RS a little over a week ago. From long
    experience with nearly a dozen RS stores in this area I asked to see
    the contents of the box first. It was missing the CD, but the
    salesman assured me, pointing to the way the camera was packaged
    that it was brand new and had never been used. The original
    Panasonic batteries were still wrapped and unused, but when I got
    the camera home I found that the camera contained totally dead RS
    batteries. And the memory card wasn't where it should have been.
    It was installed in the camera. Turning on the camera, the display
    showed a picture of an RS employee smiling at the camera (the date
    was over a year ago). I couldn't advance forward or back to see
    other pictures due to a "card error" message on the display. Using
    a card reader I was able to transfer several other pictures to the
    computer. There were some pictures on the card that by their
    filenames and the directories they were in couldn't have been put
    there by the camera. I don't know of any cameras that create files
    with names like "phonedisplaycontest.JPG" and "pic for

    They had to have been copied back to the card from a computer.
    Most were taken inside the RS store. One was taken inside a
    supermarket. I know of one very nice RS way out in the boonies of
    northwestern NJ that I'd have confidence in, but in general, when
    you buy something in Radio Shack you might get a new, totally unused
    item. But too many times you won't. That camera was promptly
    returned, and they didn't want the CD that I copied the pictures to
    or even see what was on it. They were more concerned about the
    memory card, being relieved when I told them it had been
    reformatted. I wouldn't be surprised if you have had better
    experiences with RS's in your area.
    BillB, Mar 29, 2005
  12. Herman de Vries

    Guest Guest

    I understand that the last Strokes and Steely Dan albums were recorded to
    analogue tape because they prefer the warm sound and compression
    characteristics that tape offer.
    Guest, Mar 29, 2005
  13. Analog and digital are different. They both have advantages, but it is hard
    to generalize the common assumption that digital is better. In many ways it
    is clearly not, audio included. The statement that "Digital is a more
    accurate representation of audio than any analog system,..." is simply
    false. Digital can be very good, and good digital recordings are in some
    ways much better than analog, but most digital recordings may not be. It
    very much depends on the standards, the processing, and the execution. Same
    for video and imaging, only more so.

    Leonard Caillouet, Mar 30, 2005

  14. Then the salesman at the local store is a liar and not worthy of your
    business. The only reason to buy locally is if the value added by the
    personal service, information, and support is worth the difference.
    Obviously this guy isn't worth it.

    My D70 Kit (w/18-70mm lens) will cost me $905 after rebate. It was
    purchased from One Call, which has a reseller rating of 9.32/10,
    higher than 99% of on line sellers. They are an authorized Nikon
    dealer (and have to be to give you the rebate form with their name
    preprinted on it), and had been in businese over 80 years.

    I on't know what chain you are talking about but Ritz/Wolf in my area
    is not much better than Best Buy for info and sells at list price.
    Oliver Costich, Mar 30, 2005

  15. Actually some RS branded products are quite good. The problem is
    finding out which ones those are.
    Oliver Costich, Mar 30, 2005

  16. These threads are a lot shorter if you just killfile him.
    Oliver Costich, Mar 30, 2005
  17. Herman de Vries

    BillB Guest

    Yes, and for an example they used to sell very good Sangean radios
    that were disguised only by a different logo and a color change.
    Unfortunately they were replaced by Grundig radios that weren't
    changed in any way. They're still Grundigs, and come in a Grundig
    box. But they're inferior in many ways and some, really old.
    Designed several years before the Sangean models that they replaced.

    I haven't seen a camera yet with an RS label. Let's get Realistic!
    BillB, Mar 31, 2005
  18. Herman de Vries

    retoohs Guest

    Digital can capture plenty of detail. Check out this very low res image

    retoohs, Mar 31, 2005
  19. Herman de Vries

    retoohs Guest

    Photography is not and cannot be art. Only fools would believe that!

    not with your skill level thats for sure

    retoohs, Mar 31, 2005
  20. Herman de Vries

    retoohs Guest

    Photographs are produced by lenses.

    that like saying paintings are produced with brushes. just more bullshit

    retoohs, Mar 31, 2005
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