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Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Bruce, Feb 9, 2010.

  1. Bruce

    Peter Guest

    Here, the Tax Department harassed the marinas and collected information
    about vessels docked that did not have NY registration.
    Same thing here. Any vessel can be stopped by any one of several enforcement

    I dock my boat in Bimini for 30 days, FL for 10 days, well under the 60 day
    requirement, then in Bmini for 200 days and FL for 59 days. I then come back
    into FL for supplies and go back to, wherever.

    BTW the real incentive for the marina to report the boats is the expectation
    of getting a pass on their own sales tax violations. Yes, that does happen
    and more often than most think.
    Unlike criminal law, if there is any rational basis for the tax department's
    determination the taxpayer now has the burden of proving the department
    wrong. This is a very difficult burden.
    Peter, Feb 11, 2010
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    Lucas Guest

    Just for your information: the EU does NOT impose VAT, that is the reserved
    right of each member country (until now that is...).
    However, there are some EU-regulations regarding VAT, but, as far as I know,
    there are no 2 EU member countries that have the same VAT regulations.
    There can be several tariffs, over here we have 0% (e.g. medical
    products/services); 6% (essentials, e.g. food); and 19% (luxury products).
    Only 10 km's from my place, in another counRty (we don't have counties
    US-style), you have 0%, 6%, 12% and 21%. Denmark and Sweden even have 25%.
    (Same as Norway, but that is not a EU-member.)
    And we have about 30 different countries... take your pick...
    And, be advised, you will be milked dry: 40 years ago, when VAT was
    introduced, over here we had only 4% and 12%.
    Funny thing is, when (as a customer/end-user!) you buy a product in any
    EU-country, you can freely bring it to any other EU-country without having
    to pay extra VAT (or, for that matter, get any VAT-return), that was the
    basis of establishing the EU: free traffic of goods and services.
    Mind you we have plenty of other taxes and excises, people with an average
    income pay roughly 65% of their gross income to all kinds of different

    ....and yes, we do complain ;-)

    BTW (pun: BTW is Dutch for VAT), OK, BTW: shall we go back tot talking

    Lucas, Feb 11, 2010
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  3. New York's logic was that if a New York State resident while in New York
    could "click-through" to a website, then that is akin to having a physical
    prescence (or some logic of the sort). This would apply to any out-of-state
    reseller but thus far, NY is going after the big ones like Amazon and
    Pete Stavrakoglou, Feb 11, 2010
  4. I don't see much evidence that Obama is much of a thinker. Take away the
    teleprompter and he's lost for words.
    Pete Stavrakoglou, Feb 11, 2010
  5. She may not be the best choice and is certainly not my first or even second
    but if it is between her and Obama, there is no contest. I'll take her in
    an instant over Obama.
    Pete Stavrakoglou, Feb 11, 2010
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    Peter Guest

    That logic is contrary to established precedent. NY is using fear, no logic.
    Peter, Feb 11, 2010
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    Bruce Guest

    Wrong, because the consumer pays VAT only once, at the point of sale.
    All the VAT that was charged on any intermediate expense, including
    transport, is reclaimed by the retailer of the product or service.

    Otherwise, the consumer would be paying tax on tax, and that doesn't
    Bruce, Feb 11, 2010
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    Bruce Guest

    That isn't true. A country must apply VAT to become a member of the
    EU. The reason is that the EU takes its income from VAT receipts in
    each country, amounting to just under 2%. So if a country's VAT is
    20% (for example), 18% goes to the country and 2% to the EU budget.

    In the UK, VAT started at 10% with a 25% rate on luxuries. It was
    then reduced to 8% across the board, then was later increased to 15%
    by the right wing government of Margaret Thatcher (it made no sense at
    the time). It is now 17.5%. Children's clothes, basic foods and
    newspapers, magazines and books carry a rate of 0%, but the EU still
    gets its almost 2% cut, so sales of those items are cross-subsidised
    from receipts of VAT at the higher rate.
    Bruce, Feb 11, 2010
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    Peter Guest

    You've gotta be kidding. Look at his educational background. He uses the
    teleprompter just as most public speakers, including myself, use notes. As
    an assist in getting his points across and to make certain that with complex
    subjects points are not omitted. BTW did you see the crib notes on Sister
    Sara's hand?
    She is incapable of any deep analysis of a problem. Yet because she has such
    simplistic ideas she will make a lot of money. You and I are at opposite
    ends of the political spectrum, we've never met, but know each other for
    years and have a lot of other things in common. I know your opinions are
    sincere. Please use your intellect and see Palin for the political
    opportunist she is. She didn't even think she had a commitment to the people
    of Alaska. Now, she denies quitting and wants to convince us she left
    because of a higher calling. Think man, think. You are much too smart to
    believe her bullshit.

    Peter, Feb 11, 2010
  10. Yes, however the courts rules in favor of NY when Amazon and brought
    suit. Unbelievable, but they did.
    Pete Stavrakoglou, Feb 11, 2010
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    Peter Guest

    I will try to simplify. The holding was that Amazon had a presence by reason
    of the click thrus of affiliates who have a physical location in NY. Note
    that is one step removed from the Ritz situation. The final result is still

    For an interesting analysis see:
    Peter, Feb 11, 2010
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    Bruce Guest

    But it isn't a bureaucratic nightmare. I have operated several
    different types of business and dealing with VAT has never been a
    problem in any of them. Back in the 70s I worked in a hi-fi store and
    the owner - who was an importer and wholesaler too - was always
    griping about purchase tax. He quickly got used to the new VAT system
    and greatly preferred it.

    To the customer, there is no difference. Whether it is VAT or sales
    tax, the customer just pays it at the point of sale. The rest of it
    is simple accounting. It is nothing like as bad as you think, it's
    just a slightly different system to the one that you are familiar

    If the USA introduced VAT there would be no need to set the rates as
    high as they are in Europe. They would be broadly in line with what
    you now pay in sales tax.

    One good thing about VAT is that the price you pay already includes
    the tax. No more going to pay for an item and finding that nasty
    addition to the price ...
    Bruce, Feb 11, 2010
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    Peter Guest

    No wonder we don't see your pictures. You have been busy operating
    Peter, Feb 11, 2010
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    Bruce Guest

    Photography *is* my business. I do it to make money, and it seems to
    work reasonably well ... VAT or no VAT. ;-)
    Bruce, Feb 11, 2010
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    tony cooper Guest

    I would think that you would know this. A "regressive tax" is a tax
    that takes a larger percentage from the low-income group than it takes
    from the higher income group.

    The argument of a sales/use tax being "regressive" is that people with
    lower incomes spend more of their disposable income on taxable items
    than do people with higher income.

    When the tax is the same rate for all, the percentage of income spent
    on taxes decreases as the income of the person increases.

    (I am not supporting the poster's comment that the VAT is a oppressive
    or extremely regressive tax. It's a regressive tax, but only as
    opposed to being a progressive tax. It's not any more oppressive than
    any other means of taxation.)
    The argument against that argument is determining what is a "luxury"
    item. A television set is not a basic necessity, but it's not really
    in the luxury group. Sales/use tax on a television set takes more of
    the low-income person's disposable income than it does from the
    high-income person's disposable income. There are many items in this
    not-a-basic-necessity and not-a-luxury group...clothes, vehicles, etc.

    Taxes on purchases - sales, use, or VAT - are regressive, but there
    doesn't seem to be a fairer option on the table.

    I don't really understand your reference to "rich cities" and "poor
    cities", but that could be because sales tax revenues don't go to the
    cities where I'm from. Basic sales tax revenues are collected by the
    state and become part of the state's budget. There are surcharges in
    some Florida counties that go to the county, but not to any particular
    city. The city's revenues come from other forms of taxation. Other
    states may do it differently.
    tony cooper, Feb 11, 2010
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    tony cooper Guest

    Peter, I really wish you'd read with more attention to what is
    actually said. What Ritz does is "evasion of tax collection". They
    don't collect the tax. They evade that process. By doing so, they
    don't incur the costs of keeping extra records and filing with each
    state where they make sales.

    Only the end-user can evade the payment of sales/use taxes due. Ritz
    has clean hands in this because it is not their responsibility, under
    current law, to act as a collection and disbursement point.

    Ritz is not avoiding responsibility. They have no responsibility to
    collect sales tax and pass it along to the state. They have
    structured themselves in such a way that they do not have this
    responsibility, and the current laws allow this.

    I try to present things clearly and avoid the ambiguous. If I meant
    "tax evasion", I would write that. If I mean "evasion of tax
    collection", I write that. And I did.
    tony cooper, Feb 11, 2010
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    tony cooper Guest

    This is where "all states are different" comes into play. Florida
    does not have a state income tax. If I purchase a camera online, and
    do not pay sales/use tax to Florida, I don't have to declare that I
    owe no tax.
    tony cooper, Feb 11, 2010
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    tony cooper Guest

    It's not my field, but I wouldn't think that you would be considered
    to be a Florida resident and required to register your boat in Florida
    under the above conditions. You're a transient.
    When I owned a company, I was audited by the Florida Department of
    Revenue (our sales tax people) a few times. No one in business in
    Florida who has ever been audited is under the impression that the
    auditor will leave giving you a clean bill. They *will* find
    something. I have also been audited by the IRS, but they did not find
    anything wrong or assess any additional taxes, penalties, or interest.
    Given the choice, I'll go through six IRS audits rather than one FL
    DofR audits.
    tony cooper, Feb 11, 2010
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    Bruce Guest

    I think you have just defined a bureaucratic nightmare! It need not
    be so complex, and the introduction of VAT would be a very good
    opportunity to simplify the system.

    We have excise duties here too. And yes, VAT is payable on them. So
    no different really.

    As I said, the introduction of VAT would provide an opportunity to
    replace the bureaucratic nightmare you already have with a simpler,
    fairer and far more transparent system.
    Bruce, Feb 11, 2010
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    tony cooper Guest

    Whereas Palin had to write "Hi, I'm Sara Palin" on the palm of her
    hand to ensure at least one cogent point in an interview.

    The teleprompter thing is a red herring, though. The use of the
    teleprompter has to do with being able to recite a previously prepared
    speech without stumbling. The thinking goes into writing the speech
    that is prepared and then projected onto the teleprompter.
    tony cooper, Feb 11, 2010
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