New Nikon DSLR announced...

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by frederick, Jul 20, 2006.

  1. frederick

    frederick Guest

    Well announced that it will be announced in 20 days.
    http://nikonimaging.com/global/
    Seems a D70/s replacement is coming.
    Entirely new Nikon model names have had trademark applications
    registered at US Patent and Trademark Office. Nothing new there.
     
    frederick, Jul 20, 2006
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    RichA Guest

    Looks like a "head 'em off at the pass" answer to the Sony Alpha.
     
    RichA, Jul 20, 2006
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    frederick Guest

    I don't know about that really. This looks like just a repeat of the
    D100/D70 evolution - the D200 was announced almost a year ago - and the
    D70/s is getting long in the tooth. I don't think Canon or Nikon feel
    threatened by Sony at the moment - but that's not to say that the deep
    pockets and marketing skill of Sony won't change that in future.
    I'm probably wrong, but expect this to be a D200 with plastic body,
    minus aperture connecting rings to meter with non chipped lenses. The
    D200 has been a big success for Nikon - even at nearly three times the
    price for a D70s body. I expect that this new camera will be crippled
    in some way apart from above - most likely it won't have the great (for
    cropped sensor cameras) viewfinder of the D200.
    My guess is that the immediate loser may be Canon - as I wouldn't expect
    them to release an updated 350d with more mp than a 30d - and despite
    there being very little image quality difference between 6 and 10mp, and
    practically none between 6 and 8 or 8 and 10, bragging rights helps sell
    cameras.
     
    frederick, Jul 20, 2006
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    cjcampbell Guest

    Nice teaser images. I thought that the D70 replacement would have 8Mp,
    but it makes sense to use a sensor they already have.

    The D70 stole a lot of sales from the D100, having almost all the
    features of that venerable machine for less than half the price. I
    suspect that this new camera will be a D200 lite -- a few minor
    differences, a plastic body instead of a magnesium one, not as well
    sealed, but otherwise having the most essential features of the D200.
    It might even use the same inexpensive remote control that the D70
    uses, instead of the clunky wireless thing you need for the D200.

    Adorama finally shipped my D200. I expect it sometime next week. If my
    daughter can keep her hands off of it. :) She uses Canon, but when I
    asked her what she wanted for Christmas, she said, "I have it right
    here."
     
    cjcampbell, Jul 21, 2006
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  5. frederick

    cjcampbell Guest

    Thom Hogan speculates that the new model is *not* a D70/s replacement,
    as it is touted as an addition to Nikon's line. That would mean the
    D80. It still does not address the gaping hole in the lineup between
    the D200 and the D2xs. But what if it did?
     
    cjcampbell, Jul 21, 2006
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  6. frederick

    frederick Guest

    What gaping hole between D2x and D200? The price?
     
    frederick, Jul 21, 2006
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    DD Guest

    "Long in the tooth"? The "s" has only been around a short while and my
    D70 only has about 5,000 frames on it!

    Sooner or later working photographers realise that trying to keep up
    with the pixel race, or the feature race just isn't a feasible business
    action. They find a camera they are happy with and work it until it
    works no more.
     
    DD, Jul 21, 2006
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    Bill Guest

    The D70s is now 15 months old, introduced April 20 2005, which in the
    Nikon DSLR market makes it somewhat middle aged. It's not ready for
    retirement yet, but Nikon needs a new camera to keep Sony and Canon from
    taking sales away with their 8mp and 10mp models.
    True. But Nikon can't sit idle and let the competition get ahead.

    Nikon took a long time getting the D200 ready, and they did a good job.
    This new model will likely have a lot of the same components, so it's
    almost a proven design already.
     
    Bill, Jul 21, 2006
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  9. frederick

    cjcampbell Guest

    Good point. What really needs to be done is reduce the price on the
    D2xs and introduce a $4000 D3. But then, as long as I am wishing, how
    about we just cut all the prices by 2/3? :)
     
    cjcampbell, Jul 21, 2006
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  10. frederick

    cjcampbell Guest

    You need to get out more. My D70 has nearly 20,000 frames on it. But
    the "s" was only a minor upgrade; basically it got a larger LCD and
    that was it. Nikon seems to have a pattern of doing an "s" when a body
    is about eighteen months old.

    I don't think the new camera is intended to "head 'em off at the pass."
    It probably has been in development for a great deal longer than that.
    But it is unlike Nikon to do a teaser ad like this, so the ad may very
    well be targeted at people thinking of the Sony Alpha. So the camera
    isn't a response to the Sony Alpha, but the ad might be.
     
    cjcampbell, Jul 21, 2006
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    DD Guest

    I agree. Does my 2nd hand D2H with 23,000 frames taken by somebody else
    count for anything? ;-)
    I think they are worried about Sony for nothing. Sony makes crap. Always
    will. I can't see them being successful in the DSLR market unless they
    start paying half their profits to the retailers at POS.
     
    DD, Jul 21, 2006
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  12. Sony makes crap - sure. That's why the D200 and the new Nikon use a Sony
    sensor, as do the D50, the D70, D70S, D100, D2X, D2XS, most Coolpix
    models...

    DK
     
    David Kilpatrick, Jul 21, 2006
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    k-man Guest

    Sony's electronics are great. It's their moving parts that are crap
    (i.e., broken Walkman buttons, busted CD changers). Though, the alpha
    will use much if not all of Minolta's moving parts (at least for the
    mirror and anit-shake).

    Kevin
     
    k-man, Jul 21, 2006
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    DD Guest

    I have a graveyard of broken Sony products. Hi-fis, CD-ROMs, headphones,
    etc. I feel certain that in the near future Nikon will be making their
    own sensors anyway...
     
    DD, Jul 21, 2006
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  15. There is very little difference between a D70 and D70s. They are the same
    basic model camera, and for all intents and purposes can be considered the
    same as far as release goes ... IMHO.
    I agree. However, I believe 6MP is too small yet, as there is very little
    ability to crop when attempting to print an image greater than 8x10. I would
    like to be able to crop an image a bit and print an 10x15 image or 11x17 image
    without significant image degradation on the print. Having said that, without
    cropping, my D70 has done a fine job with creating images that print
    beautifully at 10x15.
     
    Thomas T. Veldhouse, Jul 21, 2006
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  16. The D2X uses a CMOS sensor ... did Sony make that? Or did Nikon create it?
     
    Thomas T. Veldhouse, Jul 21, 2006
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  17. So many people call it a "plastic body". In reality, it is a poly-carbonate
    body. Poly-carbonate is not a tradition polymer like plastic and is a much
    more durible substance. I like it better than whatever the Canon products
    use.
     
    Thomas T. Veldhouse, Jul 21, 2006
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  18. It's a Sony/Nikon design using the same CMOS architecture as the R1 sensor.

    David
     
    David Kilpatrick, Jul 21, 2006
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    Bill Guest

    Where did you get that idea?

    Polycarbonate is a clear polymer plastic like "lexan" used to make
    bulletproof glass (additives are used to make it black and resistant to
    ultraviolet light to prevent fading).
    Surprise!

    Canon Digital Rebel, Rebel XT, some film bodies, lense housings, etc.
    are all made of polycarbonate plastics.
     
    Bill, Jul 21, 2006
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  20. frederick

    Bill Guest

    Sony does make some good stuff, but a lot of cheap junk too.

    Years ago they made some of the best electronic items, but over the
    years their outsourcing and cost cutting has really lowered their
    quality levels on many items.

    Today Sony relies on the name they made with the good stuff to sell
    cheap junk to uneducated consumers. In many cases the cheap stuff is
    good enough, so no one complains.

    There are some Sony products I would buy, but many that I would not.

    Sony is not the only company to be put in this status.
    It was custom made for Nikon by Sony.
     
    Bill, Jul 21, 2006
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