New Panasonic DSLR with 10 MP and Leica image stabilised zoom lens

Discussion in 'Panasonic Lumix' started by Tony Polson, Aug 30, 2007.

  1. Tony Polson

    Tony Polson Guest

    "Eighteen months after the L1 took PMA 2006 by storm Panasonic has
    announced its second digital SLR, the Lumix DMC-L10. As well as a more
    conventional design and a new 10MP LiveMOS sensor (which we presume is
    the same as that used in the Olympus E-410) the L10 features a wealth
    of new features including a fully articulated screen and live view
    with sensor-based (contrast detect) autofocus. Like the L1 the new
    camera is only available in kit with a (new) Leica branded lens ..."

    For the rest of the article, go to:

    http://www.dpreview.com/news/0708/07083011panasonicL10.asp
     
    Tony Polson, Aug 30, 2007
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    RichA Guest

    It's interesting, but it looks just like their P&S cameras. However,
    I can't see someone buying a sub-$1000 body going out and buying I.S.
    stabilized Leica lenses when they need more reach, etc. They should
    have put the I.S. in-camera like Olympus did. But the Olympus E-510
    doesn't have an articulated Live View LCD, only a fixed Live View LCD
    so they lose on that front.
     
    RichA, Aug 30, 2007
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    D_Mac Guest

    Not surprising that Images are not available. It's predecessor had the
    same problem which is plaguing all Olympsonic cameras... Lack of
    dynamic range. The process of evaluation of images - from any camera -
    is made worse by DPreview who only seem to shoot in lighting
    conditions that suit the cameras they are testing. Unless of course
    the sun never shines where they test them!

    I bought several Panasonic FZ50s based on images I saw on dpreview.
    Very sad indeed. Those cameras could barely handle the dynamic range
    of a shade shot, even when using an external flash to reduce it.
    Totally hopeless outdoors in Australia's summer sun... And where do
    Mum and Dad go to take family photos in Australia?

    The beach of course! Take out the number of people living within easy
    access of beaches from Australia's population and us "early adopters"
    of Digital technology, fall into the range of thousands, not the
    millions Panasonic see as their potential market here.

    We can only hope Panasonic (and Olympus) take notice of what their
    customers have told them. The fact "Image quality" has not been
    finalized suggests they are still stumped on how to make the bloody
    thing work properly.

    Incidentally... The Leica lenses made by Panasonic are not "Real"
    Leica lenses. They are made under license and if their quality varies
    anything like the difference between the "leica" lenses on the FZ 30
    and the FZ 50 Which Panasonic are said to make under license too...
    Don't expect anything special from them in resolving power or world
    shattering quality, regardless of the hefty price they'll command.

    Doug
     
    D_Mac, Aug 31, 2007
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    RichA Guest

    The vile little 1/2.5" sensor rears is omnipresent and ugly head.
    Every dog-s---- superzoom P&S plastic nightmare out there uses it.
    It's disgusting.
    But they (unlike large sensors) cost next to nothing so the profit
    margin on a P&S p.o.s. even with a long zoom is high, that and
    misleading marketing help push them.
     
    RichA, Sep 1, 2007
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  5. Tony Polson

    John Bean Guest

    Never one to let facts get in the way of a good rant are you
    Rich?

    Clue: the FZ50 sensor size isn't 1/2.5".
     
    John Bean, Sep 1, 2007
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  6. Tony Polson

    RichA Guest

    True. It has a 1/1.8" a slightly larger one. The one that looks much
    like the new DSLR physically, their latest superzoom uses the 1/2.5"
    sensor.
    But then they both lack DR and are used only because they allow a long
    zoom lens to be crammed in a small space.
    http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Panasonic/panasonic_dmcfz18.asp
     
    RichA, Sep 1, 2007
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    ASAAR Guest

    You're a sick man, RichA and I *like* that in trolls. <g>

    Actually there's nothing wrong with using 1/2.5" sensors. They
    aren't vile in themselves. They just don't perform very well in low
    light or at high ISO when manufacturers try to stuff too many pixels
    into them. My old Fuji S5100 superzoom uses a 1/2.5" sensor, and it
    manages very well with it. But then its sensor is only 4mp. The
    body is made of plastic, but it's a much better than average plastic
    that looks good (doesn't have a "plasticky" appearance), feels good
    (doesn't have a hard, smooth surface), and seems very rugged.
     
    ASAAR, Sep 2, 2007
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  8. Tony Polson

    RichA Guest

    But that is the crux, isn't it?
    Pixel size determines quality and that 4 megs means pixels in your
    1/2.5" are a reasonable size. Now, turn it into an 8-12 meg sensor
    and....
    A modest pixel size decrease can mean big problems. Witness Olympus's
    models now they've gone from 8 megapixels with the E-500 CCD to 10
    megapixels with the NMOS sensor. All you hear about now is what
    narrow dynamic range in reviews and from users.
    Well there is a reason they are going for small with all these new
    entry-level DSLRs. Smaller frames mean stronger when it comes to any
    material, provided the wall thickness isn't reduced. However, one
    look at the ultra-flimsy SD card access door of the Nikon D40/40x is
    enough to scare anyone.
     
    RichA, Sep 2, 2007
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  9. RichA wrote:
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    I find no problem with the SD card access door on the D40/D40x Try
    treating your camera like the precision optical instrument it is.

    David
     
    David J Taylor, Sep 3, 2007
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