New Sony lenses for smartphones

Discussion in 'Digital Cameras' started by Nick Fotis, Sep 5, 2013.

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    Nick Fotis Guest

    Nick Fotis, Sep 5, 2013
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    Sandman Guest

    Yeah, I just saw this as well. Very strange! It's a camera in a lens,
    where the camera back is replaced by an app in your smart phone. So you
    view and control the camera/lens from your smart phone.

    It's... well, actually, it's not a *bad* idea. It's a very interesting
    idea. Samsung did a "smart camera" in the Galaxy Camera where the camera
    ran Android and you have access to all the apps.

    This is the same take, but you separate them and let the user use
    whatever smartphone he or she is already using, not forcing another
    smartphone OS or device on them in the process.

    The only real problem, other than it being slightly cumbersome to use,
    is that it's NOT the built in camera. It's a stand-alone device that
    uses a special app on your phone to send video/image data to. So when
    you want to update your facebook profile picture and choose to take a
    new picture, you can't pick this lens as the one that takes the picture.

    28-100mm/f1.8-4.9 are also some pretty neat numbers in a small package.
    It's a tiny tiny sensor though, so we should wait for some test pictures
    before getting too impressed.
     
    Sandman, Sep 5, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    that's a feature. you are now no longer limited to the sensor in the
    camera.
    which you could do if the app supports uploading to facebook or
    whatever other service you might want to use. most likely it will save
    it in the camera roll, and then you can upload it with another app.
    maybe there's a way for app developers to access the camera directly,
    and then the possibilities are limitless.
     
    Guest, Sep 5, 2013
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    Sandman Guest

    that's a feature. you are now no longer limited to the sensor in the
    camera.
    which you could do if the app supports uploading to facebook or
    whatever other service you might want to use.[/QUOTE]

    No, I couldn't. I couldn't use the facebook app and press update profile
    image and choose take picture and use this lens. I have to use the lens
    app to first take the picture and hope that it supports the destination
    I have in mind for the picture. And in some cases, the destination
    doesn't allow for any other app to submit image data, such as instagram.

    This is not a huge problem, but it's a bit limiting to have to use this
    one app only when using the lens. But of course, it's no difference when
    having to use Sony software when using their NEX cameras, so...
     
    Sandman, Sep 5, 2013
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    Guest Guest

    unless the facebook or instagram apps interfaced with the camera, which
    it could do if there's an api for it. i dunno if there is or not but if
    they were smart, there will be.
    on the other hand, for just shooting photos, it won't be a problem.
     
    Guest, Sep 5, 2013
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    RichA Guest

    RichA, Sep 5, 2013
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    Sandman Guest

    unless the facebook or instagram apps interfaced with the camera, which
    it could do if there's an api for it. i dunno if there is or not but if
    they were smart, there will be.[/QUOTE]

    But, to be honest - the chance of that happening is so close to nil that
    it's not even worth considering :)

    I mean, if it comes with an API then I can imagine that apps such as
    Camera+ supporting it, but not just any app that has a camera interface
    in any way.
    No, as long as the app is good enough.
     
    Sandman, Sep 5, 2013
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    Alan Browne Guest

    It's a neat idea. I'd even consider such a lens/camera for my iPhone
    since 'that' camera is pretty crappy. I'd have to see some actual
    photos - though it would be _real_ nice if it could also trigger a real
    flash.

    10.4 - 37.1 mm FL works out to 26 .. 93mm (depending on measurement
    used) equivalent v. FF.
    (3.5x zoom ratio).

    Per dpreview's sensor page, a 1" sensor is actually a 12.8 x 9.6 mm 4:3
    sensor. That should give decent results for a "walk around" camera.

    It's the largest back-illuminated sensor I've noticed to date as well,
    so that's a plus too.

    Even has a tripod socket. Looks like a winner from Sony - which is nice
    given the idiotic alpha label for the A-3000.

    Some negatives:

    The steep FL-variable wide open aperture is a little bit of a bummer.
    f/1.8 at 10.4mm down to f/4.9 at 37.1.

    "Shooting time lag" is a bit steep at 0.2 seconds; startup time is a
    whopping 7 seconds and max shoot rate is a miserly 1 Hz. Of the 3 the
    0.2 shooting time lag would affect me most.

    Note: There is also a "shutter release time lag" mentioned of 35ms which
    is very decent - so it's not clear what the 0.2 "Shooting time lag" is
    all about).

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    Alan Browne, Sep 6, 2013
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    Nick Fotis Guest

    Maybe the 0.2 second lag includes the delay due to wireless transmission
    from the smartphone to the camera?

    N.F.
     
    Nick Fotis, Sep 7, 2013
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Could be. There are three time related things:

    1. 1 Hz shooting rate (which is slow for the day but would not affect
    me).

    2. "Shooting time lag" of 200ms. But it's not clearly defined. If
    this is akin to the P&S lags of today then it is dissapointing.

    3. "shutter release time lag" of 35 ms. This is the most important -
    and if that is the lag and it begins exposure 35ms after shutter
    depress then it is up to the standards of the best SLR's with
    mirrors (which actually run closer to 40 - 60ms).


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    Alan Browne, Sep 7, 2013
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    Alan Browne Guest


    I just found out it _does_ have tripod socket - so it's gone up a large
    notch.



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    Alan Browne, Sep 8, 2013
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