New technology so you must watch commercials

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    Guest, Apr 20, 2006
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    Dick Sidbury Guest


    Philips acknowledged, however, that the anti-channel changing technology
    might not sit well with consumers and suggested in its patent filing
    that consumers be allowed to avoid the feature if they paid broadcasters
    a fee.

    So dish network or direct tv decides to disable it on their
    transmissions (for free) and puts commercials on that emphasize that
    fact which people with cable must watch. The next day everyone switches
    to satellite. So in an effort to get their customers back, cable
    decides to follow suit. So the remaining question is do those who get
    over-the-air transmission feel it is worth the cost to buy cable or
    satellite in order to have control of what they watch.

    -- or as my daughter suggests, everyone bittorrents the shows without
    commercials the next day.
    Dick Sidbury, Apr 21, 2006
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    Paul Heslop Guest

    Sky are already screwing around with our choices of what we see during
    programs, sliding banners over the picture and having areas of screen
    dedicated to permanent or moving notices. More and more it seems these
    companies couldn;t give a crap. Let's face it, we already pay Sky for
    the channels, THEN we have adverts between and during the programs
    THEN we have them while the programs are on screen!
    Paul Heslop, Apr 21, 2006
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    J. Clarke Guest

    There was a lot of that in the US a year or two back, I haven't seen nearly
    as much of it and what there is is far less obnoxious than it had been.
    J. Clarke, Apr 21, 2006
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    Allan Guest

    Update 1: Reader Paul B, who also happened to chair the group that
    wrote the MHP PVR specification, writes to inform us that "there is no
    such flag as standard in the spec. Philips could add one as a
    Philips-specific flag but it wouldn't apply to the other
    manufacturers. Secondly, as currently specificed there is no way for
    an MHP application to take control of the channel switching function,
    so changing channels always works." There you have it folks; it seems
    that all your MHP-equipped gear is safe -- for now.

    Update 2: Royal Philips Electronics, ever mindful of their
    Engadget-reading customers, had this to say in a note to us:
    "(Philips) filed a patent application, as yet not granted, that
    enables watching a television movie without advertising. However, some
    people do want to see the ads. So, we developed a system where the
    viewer can choose, at the beginning of a movie, to either watch the
    movie without ads, or watch the movie with ads. It is up to the viewer
    to take this decision, and up to the broadcaster to offer the various
    services. Philips never had the intention to force viewers to watch
    ads against their will and does not use this technology in any current
    Philips products, nor do we have any plans to do so."

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    Allan, Apr 21, 2006
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    Rôgêr Guest

    "Yes, we invented the technology to force you to watch commercials, but
    we're afraid that consumers may get angry, maybe to the point where the
    advertiser's dollars no longer make us feel better." Sooner or later,
    we'll know which side speaks with the loudest voice.
    Rôgêr, Apr 21, 2006
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    RS Guest

    RS, Apr 21, 2006
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    Dick Sidbury Guest

    Now this I don't understand. If you opt to watch it without
    commercials, and it's being broadcast, what shows up on your screen
    during the time that commercials are being broadcast?

    -- or is this something that happens in Europe (or elsewhere) and that
    we Americans don't understand?
    Dick Sidbury, Apr 21, 2006
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    kitekrazy Guest

    Do any of the DVD movies bought in stores keep you from skipping
    movie previews yet?
    kitekrazy, Apr 21, 2006
  12. The option is availble (for example, it is used for the FBI warning).
    It is just a matter of how they program them.
    Richard Crowley, Apr 21, 2006
  13. You need the time-machine accessory, available at 7.95 USD/Month, or
    the equivalent prices in other currencies.

    Or, to turn off the sarcasm and express my opinion directly:

    Basically, I think there is a chance that the above quoted stuff from
    Philips is just possibly smoke-and-mirrors.

    When I first read the OP's link yesterday, I couldn't for a minute or
    two remember the word I wanted. Then it came to me in a flash:

    OK, it's not the same as the "protection" rackets famous during
    Prohibition days in the US, but it still fits the definition, I think.

    Gene E. Bloch, Apr 21, 2006
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    PTravel Guest

    Yes . . . and no. I've seen some that will only let you fast forward, but
    won't let you skip chapters or go to the menu.
    PTravel, Apr 21, 2006
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    Stan Brown Guest

    Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:08:24 GMT from kitekrazy
    Have you been hiding under a rock? Studios have been doing this for

    Universal, one of the worst offenders, recently announced they were
    ceasing the practice. I assume that means they've found something new
    and even more annoying to try to control my watching of my DVD in my
    Stan Brown, Apr 22, 2006
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    kitekrazy Guest

    Um no. I think I may have one (maybe) that does this.
    kitekrazy, Apr 22, 2006
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    Voinin Guest

    I have so many DVDs that use this "feature" to keep me from changing
    subtitles or audio tracks while watching the movie as well as from
    skipping past a lot of the crud that comes before the menus or just
    before the movie itself. It's a good reason why I like to copy some of
    my DVDs so I don't have to put up with these limitations that studios
    think I need on watching a movie. Why on earth shouldn't I change audio
    or subtitles in the midst of watching a movie?
    Voinin, Apr 22, 2006
  18. Per Alpha: Just got back from a 3-day round trip Philadelphia/Oakland.

    American West Airlines seems to have opted for the direct approach: your
    seatbelt is fastened and the "fasten seatbelts" light is on - i.e. you're
    captive in your seat - and they start playing these commercials....really LOUD
    commercials. There's just no escape.

    I thought I was in a cheap science fiction novel where they tie people into
    restraints and force-feed them information. Geeze.... come to think of

    I don't travel much. Is this the norm?
    (PeteCresswell), Apr 30, 2006
  19. Not yet. But please, keep it quiet to not
    bring ideas to other airliners!


    Never be afraid to try something new.
    Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark.
    A large group of professionals built the Titanic.

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    Martin Heffels, Apr 30, 2006
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    Bob Guest

    Watch what they do to Alex in Clockwork Orange.

    Watch what he does later as a reaction to the treatment he received.
    Bob, Apr 30, 2006
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