New to monitor calibration question

Discussion in 'Photoshop' started by Steven Wandy, Aug 9, 2004.

  1. Steven Wandy

    Steven Wandy Guest

    I have been using PS for several years (currently using PSCS). Just
    purchased a Monaco Optix bundle to do my calibrations and profiling.
    Created a monitor calibration using the Optix. Video Card driver shows the
    ICC profile as the default. When in go into Control Panel (Windows XP Pro)
    and click on the Adobe Gamma icon the proper ICC profile that I created
    shows in the box BUT it shows the white point as 5000 K (warm white) while
    the profile was created for 6500 K (daylight). According to Monaco's website
    Photoshop uses this setting (shown in Adobe Gamma). Any ideas on why the
    change in white point? Thanks
    Steven Wandy, Aug 9, 2004
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  2. Steven Wandy

    Hecate Guest

    Calibrate with Monaco. Or calibrate with Gamma. Don't do both.
    Hecate, Aug 10, 2004
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  3. Steven Wandy

    Steven Wandy Guest

    I have been using PS for several years (currently using PSCS). Just
    I never said I did both or used both or loaded both. Only the Monaco loader
    is in my Startup Folder. Only the profile made by Monaco is loaded by my
    video card's driver setup. What I said is I had read in a different
    newsgroup post that PS reads it's information from Adobe Gamma - even if it
    is not being utilized to load the gamma settings - and when I clicked on the
    Adobe Gamma icon in Control Panel the aforementioned information with
    regard to white point was shown.
    Steven Wandy, Aug 10, 2004
  4. Steven Wandy

    Mike Russell Guest

    Not many people will follow up on a thread where the poster starts biting
    the hand that's feeding him.

    Except der Curvemeister, that is :)

    I think you'll find what you're looking for here:
    Photoshop uses the last profile saved in the Adobe Gamma Control Panel.
    Other applications may use the profile associated with the monitor in the
    Display Control Panel.

    Full text:

    I'm wrong, bring it on.
    Mike Russell, Aug 10, 2004
  5. Steven Wandy

    Hecate Guest

    If you've used Gamma before, it will have created a profile.
    presumably you told PS to use that profile. If you have used Monaco,
    that will create a profile. If you don't tell PS which profile to use
    it will use the one that you last told it to use.

    Gamma is always likely to show you something different because it's
    only an approximation based on you eyeballing some squares and
    deciding which is correct.
    Hecate, Aug 11, 2004
  6. Steven Wandy

    Steven Wandy Guest

    Not many people will follow up on a thread where the poster starts biting
    I appreciate the advice given here but the previous poster did not even
    bother to read what I wrote in my original post. I never said I was loading
    both. My question was about why the settings shown in the Adobe gamma aplet
    in Windows Control Panel showed a different color temperature than I chose
    when I used Monaco.
    Steven Wandy, Aug 11, 2004
  7. Steven Wandy

    Steven Wandy Guest

    last told it to use.

    Thanks for that explaination but where in PSCS do you "tell" it which to
    use? I checked all over Color Settings but the only answer I could find on
    the web is the article on Monaco's website that Mike Russell also refered
    to. I can see where you choose a profile for "soft proofing" but not where
    to tell PSCS which monitor profile to use.
    Steven Wandy, Aug 11, 2004
  8. You're such a glutton for punishment. :)
    Frederic Banaszak, Aug 11, 2004
  9. Steven Wandy

    Hecate Guest

    Sorry, I wasn't being very lucid. You create a colour profile with
    Gamma, and it gets saved and then used by PS automatically. When you
    create another profile with a spider/calibrator of some sort, it
    should be saved and then used automatically by PS. I think that the
    problem is likely to be, if your source is correct, that when there is
    more than one profile PS uses the Gamma one. So, you would need to
    delete the profile created by Gamma to ensure that the new one is used
    by Photoshop.
    Hecate, Aug 12, 2004
  10. Steven Wandy

    Steven Wandy Guest

    Sorry, I wasn't being very lucid.
    That's OK, I appreciate the help.

    When I go into Window's Control Panel and click in the Adobe Gamma applet
    (again, Adobe Gamma is not loading at Windows startup) it shows that is is
    recognizing the newest profile - the one created with Monaco Optix. But when
    it shows the setting it has the White Point at 5000 K (warm white). This not
    what I selected when I made the profile (choose 6500). If I tell Adobe Gamma
    to change it it asks to save the profile, thereby over-writing the created
    profile that is used by Monaco's Monacogamma program and my video card
    driver. So what I am wondering is even if PSCS is reading the profile listed
    in Adobe Gamma, is it reading the White Point correctly or not?
    Steven Wandy, Aug 12, 2004
  11. Steven Wandy

    Hecate Guest

    Ok, got you. Disregard whatever Gamma tells you - it didn't make the
    profile. If you made the profile with the Monaco and gave it a white
    point of 6500, then that is what it will have set. Gamma is better
    than nothing, but it's not accurate. It can't be because it has no way
    of measuring the screen output.
    Hecate, Aug 13, 2004

  12. About time you admitted as much.
    Branko Vukelic, Aug 13, 2004
  13. Steven Wandy

    Steven Wandy Guest

    Disregard whatever Gamma tells you - it didn't make the
    That's what I thought, but just wanted it confirmed by someone
    who had been using profiles.
    Steven Wandy, Aug 13, 2004
  14. Steven Wandy

    Hecate Guest

    Boring, boring. Not only are you a poor imitation of Branko, you're
    also a poor imitation of a human being.
    Hecate, Aug 14, 2004
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