Newbie question: How can I record Freeview Channels e.g. BBC3?

Discussion in 'Video Cameras' started by Peter Brown, May 14, 2006.

  1. Peter Brown

    Peter Brown Guest

    I want to be able to record freeview channels using the videoplus numbers.
    Can't do it with my old VCR. Can it be done with a DVD Recorder?

    Peter
     
    Peter Brown, May 14, 2006
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  2. Peter Brown

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    You need a DVB tuner equipped recorder, be that Tape, optical disc or
    HDD, AFAIK there is no way of sending a 'record - start' command to a
    domestic recorder through the AV or SCART pins.
     
    :::Jerry::::, May 14, 2006
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  3. Peter Brown

    Peter Brown Guest

    I was just playing about on ebay and saw humax recorder. Can they record
    freeview with videoplus?

    Peter
     
    Peter Brown, May 14, 2006
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  4. Peter Brown

    Peter Brown Guest

    And...
    Long term - when we all have to go digital, how are we meant to record
    programmes?

    Peter
     
    Peter Brown, May 14, 2006
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  5. You'll have a VCR (or more likely a hard disk recorder) with an
    integral Freeview and/or satellite tuner. You won't bother with codes
    from a printed listing as there's on-screen programme guides. These
    boxes are available already. I've got one. It transforms your
    viewing just as a VCR did that of the last generation. Prices are
    coming down.


    If you're still using a separate set-top box, all but the cheapest are
    programmable to switch channel as required. But you have to
    independently program your VCR to record from the appropriate input at
    that time. Clunky, I agree.
     
    Laurence Payne, May 14, 2006
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  6. Peter Brown

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    I thought I had already answered the above question, which is (in
    effect) the same as your original question!
     
    :::Jerry::::, May 15, 2006
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  7. Peter Brown

    Peter Guest

    Believe it or not, there is.

    Some VCRs (no idea if current ones, but Ihave a Toshiba one that does
    this) have a config facility where you enter the freeview / satellite
    receiver model, and then you can plug a little cable into the back of
    the VCR, with an IR emitter on the other end of it. You the velcro
    this bit onto the front of the freeview box / satellite receiver, over
    its IR receiver bit. The VCR then fakes button presses on a remote
    control. That way, you can program the VCR to record a freeview /
    satellite channel X at a specified time... really weird and I never
    used it.

    The holy grail in this game is a TV, DVD recorder, freeview box all in
    one. Then none of these issues arise. Not sure if one exists though.

    The simplest way to record off freeview is to stick a freeview TV card
    into a PC. The recording quality is 100% i.e. the mpeg2 freeview data
    stream goes straight into a file, whereas consumer DVD recorders
    convert to analog in the middle - this is what I was told, and it's
    done to prevent perfect DVDs being done from freeview by Joe Public.
     
    Peter, May 15, 2006
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  8. Peter Brown

    Tony Morgan Guest

    You're right Peter. I've got an Aldi colour CCTV security video camera
    connected to a Cyberhome DVD recorder. I can't be certain, but IIRC the
    SCART pin 17 is used. Before connecting the DVD recorder, my TV would
    switch source automatically using the same pin - though only when
    connected to the TVs AV3 Scart.
     
    Tony Morgan, May 15, 2006
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  9. Peter Brown

    Jukka Aho Guest

    It doesn't need to be even that complicated. Many VCRs can be set up
    in a mode where they let an external device control recording via a
    Scart socket. There is no need for complicated remote control codes,
    special IR transmitter gizmos or anything like that: all that is
    needed is that the VCR starts recording from a Scart socket when it
    receives a signal through that socket, and stops when it doesn't. The
    timer in the set-top-box will take care of the rest.

    Different manufacturers have different names for this feature. I've
    seen it called "Sat Record", "External Link", and "Rec Link". (The
    whole scheme was originally devised for satellite receivers which
    have exactly the same issues with timer recording as the Freeview
    boxes have.)
     
    Jukka Aho, May 16, 2006
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  10. Peter Brown

    Peter Guest

    The problem with that is that you have to program *two* timers: one in
    the VCR and another in the set top box.

    This rapidly gets to the stage where practically nobody is going to
    bother with it.

    The most I ever did, for recording something in my absence, was to
    config the VCR so that channel 5 is from the STB, set the STB to the
    desired freeview channel to record (say 35 or whatever), and then
    program the VCR to record from channel 5 during the relevant time.

    Of course this means one cannot record something from freeview channel
    35 and something else from freeview channel 38 say...

    That's why I say total integration is required. The "VCR" would be set
    to the channel **of the STB** directly. Channels 01...04 would be the
    standard ones, and the rest through to 99 would be whatever you get
    coming in. Then one would not use analog TV channels at all, but
    that's OK.

    Now, try walking into Dixons and asking the monkey if there is a
    product that does this.

    Is there a DVD/VCD with a built-in freeview box that can do this?
     
    Peter, May 16, 2006
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  11. Peter Brown

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    The last thing that is needed is total integration, assuming you mean
    one box does all rather than just an ability for each unit to 'talk'
    to another.

    The "VCR" would be set
    There ARE DVB tuners with built in HDD, there ARE DVD recorders with
    built in DVB tuners (some even also have HDD's, but then you are
    going to need to pay real money and not just 50 quid on a STB.
     
    :::Jerry::::, May 16, 2006
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  12. Peter Brown

    Peter Guest

    Since this means having the TV always set to the same channel (the
    recorder's video output) and using the recorder to select the channel
    instead, the next question is this: what loss of quality is there when
    watching the programme through the recorder?

    Historically, there was always a noticeable signal quality loss.

    The other thing is that one cannot watch one programme while recording
    another...
     
    Peter, May 16, 2006
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  13. Peter Brown

    Tony Morgan Guest

    In message <>, Peter
    It's about three months since Aldi did a DVD recorder that had two
    Freeview tuners built in. Great in principle, but unfortunately there
    were several problems with it. I bought one but took it back after a few
    days. There was talk of a firmware upgrade to be provided but I'd lost
    interest by that time.
     
    Tony Morgan, May 16, 2006
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  14. Peter Brown

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    There is an argument for the TV to have a built in DVB tuner, just as
    they have analogue tuners and indeed many more sets are being sold
    with them, OTOH there are still far to many TV's being made still
    with only analogue tuners - IMO, if parliament wants this switch off
    to go ahead they need to make it illegal to sell any TV from 1 Jan 07
    with just a analogue tuner and if needs be allow tax breaks to the
    manufactures / retailers to allow for retooling and stock clearance
    of old analogue sets IYSWIM.
    You can with a twin tuner DVB HDD recorder... :~P
     
    :::Jerry::::, May 16, 2006
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  15. Peter Brown

    Jukka Aho Guest

    No, you don't have to do that - though it seems to be a common
    misconception. Please read the above explanation again.

    The VCR is switched into a special "Sat Record", "External Link", or
    "Rec Link" mode. (Consult the manual of your VCR on how to do this. For
    example, all Philips VHS VCRs I've encountered since about 1992 have had
    this feature, but the way how it is switched on is not necessarily
    obvious.) In this mode, the VCR acts as a recording slave - it starts
    and stops recording according to the signal it receives from the Scart
    socket.

    When using this facility, the only timer you need to set up is the timer
    on your set-top-box.

    * * *

    For instance, here's an excerpt describing how to use this feature from
    the user manual of Philips VR757/02L:

    <http://www.saunalahti.fi/znark/ext_ctrl_rec.png>
     
    Jukka Aho, May 16, 2006
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  16. Peter Brown

    Jukka Aho Guest

    As far as watching live DVB broadcasts goes, the setup described above
    is no different from using an ordinary DVB set-top-box (without a
    recording facility), so...
    ....why do you think the quality would be different?
    Historically, when doing what? With what kind of equipment?
    Some PVRs have multiple DVB tuners, allowing you to watch one programme
    while recording the other.

    See, for example,

    <http://www.dttboxes.co.uk/pvrs/topfield5000.html>
    <http://www.toppy.org.uk/faq.php?category=top>
     
    Jukka Aho, May 16, 2006
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  17. Peter Brown

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    Another muppet who miss uses the term 'PVR'... :~((
     
    :::Jerry::::, May 16, 2006
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  18. Peter Brown

    Jukka Aho Guest

    Jukka Aho, May 16, 2006
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  19. Peter Brown

    :::Jerry:::: Guest

    No, I'll take it to people who use 'marketing man' waffle, especially
    when they should now better...
     
    :::Jerry::::, May 16, 2006
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  20. Peter Brown

    Jukka Aho Guest

    I would like to kindly point out that you might be fighting a losing
    battle, then, since it is the manufacturers themselves, their product
    designations, user manuals, etc. (and not just some random low-level
    "marketing men" of the local vendors) that use the term, by your
    definition, incorrectly. If the people who actually _make_ these things
    want to call them "PVRs" - and it seems they do! - trying to persuade
    people not to seems kind of futile.
     
    Jukka Aho, May 16, 2006
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