news on Panasonic AG-HVX200 handhled HD cam--coming in the fall

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by Toby, May 18, 2005.

  1. Toby

    Toby Guest

    I hadn't seen anything about this here, so I decided you guys (of both
    sexes) might be interested in Panasonic's answer to the Sony HD cam.

    Panasonic were in the office the other day and gave me a brochure about the
    AG-HVX200 camera that will compete with Sony's offerings. It is different in
    some significant ways from the Sonys. First, the format is DVCProHD--100
    Mbs, no mpeg, or DVCPro50 or 25 or DV Multi. It will shoot either 1080i or
    720p HD or 480i SD. It has all the features of the present DVX100 apparently
    as well (and looks a lot like that camera externally) including 30p/24p in
    all modes ( is that possible in 1080i??), and the "Cine-like" gamma
    settings.

    The kicker is that it is tapeless--will use the P2 cards--slots for two,
    hot-swappable. Recording time is 1 min per 1 Gb in 100 mode, 4 per in
    standard DVCPro25 and I guess therefore also in DV Multi (also 25 Mbs?).

    No price announced, but I assume that it will be more or less in line with
    Sony's HD cams. I'm invited to an unveiling here in Tokyo, and I'll report
    back if I manage to attend.

    Toby
     
    Toby, May 18, 2005
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  2. In the US it's set for $6k.

    http://tinyurl.com/b5f7q

    Looks like a nice tool, but you would require 2 more P2-cards ($1750
    each for 4GB card) to be able to do some decent recording. After all,
    you need to dump your program to laptop/seperate hard-drive unit, and
    don't want to stop.
    I reckon it's a nice camera for the one-man ENG person. Don't like the
    shot, delete from card and re-record. All done, jump in car, drive
    back to studio, put cards in computer, done.
    It's useless for weddings and seminars of course. Although, it has a
    recorder built in, but that can only record in mini-DV quality.

    cheers

    -martin-
     
    Martin Heffels, May 18, 2005
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  3. Toby

    Toby Guest

    Thanks Martin, that was the first I'd heard of it.

    I'm set to make the switch to a P2 camera in a year or two, and I have to
    say that while I relish the idea of not having to digitize, archiving is
    going to be a nightmare of postwork...

    Toby
     
    Toby, May 18, 2005
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  4. You'll be lucky to see it probably first hand. At the NAB they showed
    only a mock-up.
    For archiving, you should use your slaves ;-)

    cheers

    -martin-
     
    Martin Heffels, May 18, 2005
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    mmaker Guest

    The kind of news people who'll shoot on Handycams are rarely going to
    be the kind who can manage with four minutes of recording time... more
    likely they chose a small camera so they can shoot a lot of footage
    unobtrusively (e.g. the people who took their TRV900s to place like
    East Timor), not so they can shoot the local politicos turning up to
    charity events.

    I reckon it's a nice camera for... actually, I can't think of anyone
    it's a nice camera for. Even if you're shooting a low-budget feature,
    if you're spending that much money on P2 cards and support crew you
    might as well rent a proper HD camera instead.

    Mark
     
    mmaker, May 18, 2005
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  7. Well, not if you're letting the camera roll for hours to capture
    something weird at Jacko's trial ;-) But more for the ones who quickly
    run to a job, do a few enviromental shots, quick interviews, and then
    edit to deliver for the 6PM bulletin.
    For unobtrusive work it's going to be a hassle to take out the cards
    every 8 minutes and download them secretly to your notebook ;-)
    It is nice to shoot a low-budget feature, but you would need more
    cards. You don't want a whole crew waiting while you download the
    data, do you? But renting, say a Varicam, which would be the cheapest
    option, is going to work out expensive. Maybe $10k for the cam + 2
    extra cards is not that bad then.

    cheers

    -martin-
     
    Martin Heffels, May 18, 2005
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  8. For the purposes of producers who are not in the news business, current
    tapeless formats have some inherent operational flaws compared with the
    cost effectiveness and logistical handiness of tape, especially the
    small and reliable HDV/DV tapes. Arguments suggesting there are
    durability issues with tape might consider the durability of hard drives
    and data discs too. I wouldn't want to have large amount of my rushes
    invested on a hard drive, I'd want it backed up on at least two. No
    doubt handier, safer and more cost effective tapeless formats will
    emerge later.
     
    Moving Vision, May 18, 2005
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  9. Toby

    Toby Guest

    No, it's still a mockup apparently.

    Toby
     
    Toby, May 18, 2005
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  10. Toby

    Toby Guest

    Things will get better after the 32 Gb cards are available--that's the
    medium-term goal. The pro P2 camera accepts 5 cards, at 2 mins per Gb on
    DVCPro50. Not bad, except for the cost of the cards. Then you go to tape
    with the shots you like for archiving. Not having to digitize and immediate
    random access is a big plus for us news guys. I also like the 15 second
    buffer--no more missed beginnings.

    I also know that some guys just strap a notebook PC to their back and
    connect the camera for long shoots--no way to start and stop recording from
    the camera, though.

    Toby
     
    Toby, May 18, 2005
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  11. That sux.....
    We are all so curious for a 1st hand report.

    cheers

    -martin-
     
    Martin Heffels, May 18, 2005
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    doc Guest

    so then, how long will one of those cards last? i mean can u get an hour on
    one or is it like minutes?

    drd
     
    doc, Dec 8, 2005
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    doc Guest

    it does have a mini DV recorder? thus, a built in tape drive?
     
    doc, Dec 8, 2005
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  14. Toby

    doc Guest

    i didn't see it at the NAB Post NYC. where was it?

    drd
     
    doc, Dec 8, 2005
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  15. Toby

    doc Guest

    how much is this one? looks nice, really pro looking and i might get my
    client to pop for one IF the price is right?

    drd
     
    doc, Dec 8, 2005
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    doc Guest

    anyone know if this camera will also shot SD 4:3? i don't see anything in
    the literature that confirms such configuration?

    drd
     
    doc, Dec 8, 2005
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    mmaker Guest

    Last I looked, for about $2000 you could buy a card that would hold...
    a whole eight minutes of HD footage.

    Mark
     
    mmaker, Dec 8, 2005
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    David McCall Guest

    The amount that the cards can hold depends on the
    resolution you choose to use. At the prices of the
    P2 cards you might not want to buy more than a couple.
    The data can be uploaded to a laptop (with external drive)
    on the location. Then you take your hard drive directly to
    the computer. If you don't trust a hard drive, then get 2
    and use one as a backup of the other.

    I saw it at a show, and the pictures were pretty.

    David
     
    David McCall, Dec 8, 2005
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    Mike Kujbida Guest


    In case anyone's interested, I got the following info from a Vegas user who
    was at DV Expo.

    "Panasonic lowered the price of the P2 cards and will be offering five
    different packages. The base price of the camera offered at the show was
    $5600. 4GB P2 card was $600, 8GB about $1500.
    Focus Enhancements was showing their prototype 100GB portable hard drive for
    the HVX and will be available for about $2000, supposedly in March or
    April."

    Mike
     
    Mike Kujbida, Dec 9, 2005
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    peter Guest

    Is P2 the same as PCMCIA (PC card) based flash memory?
     
    peter, Dec 9, 2005
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