Newsgroup servers

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by Alan, Dec 1, 2006.

  1. Alan

    Alan Guest

    Being on Long Island, many of us gain Internet access through
    Cablevisions Optimum Online. I've been noticing that various
    newsgroups have been falling off.

    About a year ago, I was going to switch to the fiber optic FIOS, by
    Verizon. One reason I did not was because Cablevision had 120,000
    newsgroups and Verizon had only about 40,000.

    Today, I see that Cablevision has dropped to 51,000 and I don't
    believe they just dropped foreign or far away local spots.

    I wonder if any of you have found your newsgroups diminishing and what
    are the total newsgroups your server/provider offers (and the name of
    the serve too).
     
    Alan, Dec 1, 2006
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    J. Clarke Guest

    A lot of us have given up on ISP news service and gone to a third-party
    provider. I use newsguy.com, a lot of folks use individual.net, which used
    to be free and is now cheap, some folks I know have started using
    free.teranews.com, which has restricted bandwidth (50 MB/day, plenty for
    text but not so good for binaries) but is free.

    Newsguy is carrying over 43,000 newsgroups at the moment, not sure about
    the other two. Individual.net doesn't carry binary groups, Teranews
    claims to carry _all_ groups but doesn't give a number.
     
    J. Clarke, Dec 1, 2006
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  3. Alan

    Colin_D Guest

    Most if not all ISP's have or are going to drop newsfeeds - why escapes
    me, as they are getting paid by subscribers who signed up when newsfeeds
    were part of the deal. My own ISP just up and dropped news with about a
    weeks warning, but no reduction in the charges, so it amounts to a
    reduction in service with no commensurate fee drop.

    I surfed around and found teranews with their free 50MB daily, which I
    can live with quite well, and if somebody wants more than that you can
    subscribe a few dollars monthly for greater access. My news client does
    not tell me how many groups there are.

    I think the gradual tightening up and reduction in the numbers of groups
    available is due at least in part to increasing pressure on
    pornographic, particularly child and teen porn groups, which are being
    closed down for fear of prosecution - witness the government in USA
    attempting to get access to Google and other sites for the purpose of
    finding people who search for illegal images.

    Other groups probably just fade away for lack of posters. Of the tens
    of thousands of groups available, only a comparative handful are really
    active.

    Colin D
     
    Colin_D, Dec 1, 2006
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    Jeremy Nixon Guest

    There aren't even 40,000 newsgroups. The rest are just bogus, misspelled,
    or total nonsense.

    Don't be fooled by marketing nonsense. Some providers put a load of crap
    into their group lists just so they can cite a larger number than the
    other guy -- and you end up having to wade through the crap to get to the
    actual, active groups.
     
    Jeremy Nixon, Dec 1, 2006
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    Fred Guest


    NOBODY uses their ISP news anymore, they subscribe to an independent.

    I use Forte's news server, it costs only $6 a month for 20 G bytes! And it has
    hundreds of thousands of groups.

    And they keep messages a long time... EG the oldest in this group right now is
    July 2005 !

    Also, if you like movies and mp3s, almost all multi-part messages are intact.

    The other day I clicked on a vintage movie group and it said "980,000 new
    messages". I clicked cancel 'cause that would take 10 minutes!
     
    Fred, Dec 2, 2006
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    Paul J Gans Guest

    Uh, hmmm, WRONG!

    What you need is a decent ISP. There are some around.
     
    Paul J Gans, Dec 2, 2006
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    DoN. Nichols Guest

    [ ... ]
    Actually -- according to today's download of the active file, it
    is 42,359 groups.

    I actually prefer running my own news server, but my previous
    ISP killed their news servers -- and I changed ISPs for a significant
    savings in connection costs. The new ISP's news server is pretty much
    useless at present, so I'm using newsguy, too.

    Enjoy,
    DoN.
     
    DoN. Nichols, Dec 2, 2006
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    l v Guest

    My ISP dropped their newsgroup server about a year ago. I think I was
    the only one using it. I now subscribe to supernews. Of the 29,000+
    groups, I only look at 4 groups so number of groups was irrelevant to
    me. I was more concerned about quality of service from my provider. I
    kept receiving the same post multiple times from the first provider I
    tried - they were unable to fix the problem. Since then I've switched
    to supernews with no problems. For me I worry about quality not
    quantity. Who has time to read 51,000 news groups? ... unless you are
    into spamming.
     
    l v, Dec 2, 2006
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    G.T. Guest

    Well, I'm glad DSLExtreme includes Supernews with their regular
    accounts. If I had to pay I'd still go with Supernews.


    Greg
     
    G.T., Dec 2, 2006
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    jeremy Guest

    You might check out

    nntp.aioe.org

    A free news server. If all you want to do is READ, it may meet your needs.
    They do have a posting limit--I believe it is 25 posts per day.

    You can't argue with the price, though.
     
    jeremy, Dec 2, 2006
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    l v Guest

     
    l v, Dec 2, 2006
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  12. At least this nobody uses *his* ISP for a half decent newsfeed.
    I'm not sure that makes Comcast great, but it is more decent because of
    this service. They offer- give- Giganews, but I've not seen a need to
    changeover. Giganews cuts out multiposted trolls, and I like to see
    everything, good, bad, and ugly.
     
    John McWilliams, Dec 2, 2006
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    223rem Guest

    AFAIK, google groups carries all newsgroups, and it is free too.
     
    223rem, Dec 2, 2006
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    Hoogy Guest

    I use <news.cnntp.org>. I also use my ISPs news server. I have no
    complaints in fact it's excellent. I always keep a free one live just
    in case I have to ripp the shit out of some utter tube.

    Hoogy
     
    Hoogy, Dec 2, 2006
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    223rem Guest

    Newsgroups were flourishing in the early 00s, now they're slowly but
    surely dying. People prefer web-based bulletin boards.
     
    223rem, Dec 2, 2006
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    Alan Browne Guest

    Videotron (Cable, 2, 5 and 20 Mbit/sec options) just stopped adding new
    ones as of a couple years ago (including this one). So they keep
    servicing older ones that inlclude binaries (phots, video, music, etc.)
    but they refuse to add text only NG's such as this one. (So I log onto
    this one via a foreign ISP).

    There are commercial NG services for a few $ / month such as Newsguy,
    Giganews and so on.

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Dec 2, 2006
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    Alan Browne Guest

    When they began offering newsgroups in the 90's there was little binary
    traffic and at that the files were tiny. Now many NG's have monster
    binaries and require a lot of BW. There are copyright issues as well
    (per my ISP which stopped adding NG's just before this NG came into
    existence ... despite it being text only).

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Dec 2, 2006
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  18. Alan

    Alan Browne Guest

    I do. It carries most, but not all of the NG's I participate in.
     
    Alan Browne, Dec 2, 2006
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  19. Alan

    Alan Browne Guest

    Horrible user interface however.
     
    Alan Browne, Dec 2, 2006
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  20. Some people.
     
    John McWilliams, Dec 3, 2006
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