Next camera?

Discussion in 'Professional Video Production' started by nappy, Jul 16, 2003.

  1. nappy

    nappy Guest

    Any advice would be helpful. Looking for input as to which DV cameras are
    the best choice. Above the XL1/VX prosumer level a notch or two. Replacing
    XL1 cameras with 3x/16x lenses.

    thanks

    nappy
     
    nappy, Jul 16, 2003
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    Well, I will toss this in, anyway: for a notch up, look at
    the Sony VX2000/PD150, Panasonic DVX100, JVC
    DV-GY300, and Canon's own GL2; for a couple of
    notches up, check out the various Sony, JVC, and
    Panasonic (not the "el cheapos", which bury the old
    EZ30U/950 compact camera in a shoulder-mount
    body) shoulder-mount models. With enough money,
    though, the "low-end" D50 and HD models (and maybe
    top-end BetaSP) are more interesting...
    'Pends onna what ya wan' it fer, how ya wanna uz it,
    an' how much money ya hav t' spend onna it...;-)
     
    David Ruether, Jul 16, 2003
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  3. nappy

    Ron Charles Guest

    I would agree with David,

    I would personally suggest looking into a Pansonic AGDVX100 which has all
    but destroyued the market for both Xl1s and PD150 where I live, or if you
    have the inclination, perhaps the new but not as field tested HDTV 16:9
    native JVC-HD10u with the Cavision Matte Box, in either case you won't get
    16x optical unless you purchase an add-on wide angle and telephoto adapter,
    which are easily avialable.
    RON CHARLES
     
    Ron Charles, Jul 16, 2003
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  4. nappy

    thrillcat Guest

    In that price range, I would go just a liiiiiiiitle bit higher and pick up a
    used Sony DSR500. There's one on ebay right now for about $12K, with a Fuji
    20x lens. Buy it now for $12.5K.

    Or, step up into widescreen with a DSR570WS.

    If you're up to spending $10K, what's another couple grand. These cameras
    will give you more than your money's worth.
     
    thrillcat, Jul 16, 2003
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  5. The Sony DSR 500 / 570, etc would be great. I hear the Hitachi DV offering
    is nice too. There's also the JVC GY-DV 700, and multiple DVC-PRO cameras
    from Panasonic, Philips, etc. These are all 2/3" chip broadcast cameras.

    It sounds to me though that you're looking for some thing in the middle of
    that range between the high end DV-CAM / DVC-PRO cameras, and the
    palmcorders. If that's the case I'd look at the JVC GY-DV500, or the new
    and improved version, the 5000 which looks awesome. I'd also look at the
    Panasonic AJDV-200, and probably the best of all the Sony DSR-300 / 370 /
    390 series. These are all industrial broadcast style cameras with 1/2"
    chips that won't put quite as big a dent in your bank account.

    Keep in mind when you're looking at higher end cameras that you're also
    going to have to invest in expensive new batteries, chargers, tripods,
    etc.

    -Brian
     
    brian a. henderson, Jul 16, 2003
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  6. nappy

    nappy Guest

    I think so. I did look at the 5000. It does look pretty sharp. I'd like to
    get my hands on one. To see how it works for me. I do mostly manual
    shooting, fast focus, easy controls are the prime ..I have a feeling some HD
    cameras in the <$10k range will appear shortly. Like a 5000HD, or even an
    XL2HD ... Sounds like a Harley.
     
    nappy, Jul 16, 2003
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  7. nappy

    nappy Guest

    I cut a show shot on the 500 last year. It was beautiful. Nice camera.

    n
     
    nappy, Jul 16, 2003
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    Ron Charles Guest

    AGDVX100 is 3 ccd and should not be missed.

    By the way, 3ccd does not equal better quality than 1ccd, and the future of
    DV is 1 ccd HDTV.
    RON CHARLES
     
    Ron Charles, Jul 16, 2003
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  9. nappy

    Steve Guidry Guest

    The D-50 with a DSR-1 should be just a bit over 10K, with a basic lens.

    But it is amazing. Multiple knee points and gamma curve adjustments. Gives
    you the ability to shoot a person in front of a window, and have the face
    NOT go dark.

    Multiple chroma-based detail adjustments - - smooth out wrinkles in the skin
    vector AND the drop or punch up the detail in others.

    Scene files on a key-type memory stick. Gives you the ability to match
    cameras. Or "steal" someone else's "look".

    User-adjustments to the color matrix. Tweak 'til you can't see straight.
    Or pick from several "stock looks".

    We're looking at them seriously for our truck.

    Steve
     
    Steve Guidry, Jul 16, 2003
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  10. nappy

    nappy Guest

    I stand corrected. I did read a little on it. They reported some focus
    problems. Is focus really not auto in 24?
    I agree with you however, I should look at it.
     
    nappy, Jul 17, 2003
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  11. nappy

    nappy Guest


    I like that.. "tweak until you can't see straight".. yes I have heard about
    the memory stick solution. Sounds like an awesome camera.
    The DSR1 is the back?
     
    nappy, Jul 17, 2003
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  12. nappy

    Ron Charles Guest

    Focus is auto or Manual selectable in all frame rates including 24p.
    Ron Charles
     
    Ron Charles, Jul 17, 2003
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  13. ----- Original Message -----
    It is an excellent camera, but just different from the VX2000/PD150,
    GY300, and GL2, not necessarily better overall. It offers some
    advantages, some disadvantages compared with the other three
    top-quality "Handycam" - style cameras...
    I don't agree with this (though it may be true that the low-end
    HDTV cameras [as with the low-end Mini-DV cameras currently]
    will first be 1-chippers [remember the Sony VX700...? ;-]).
    1-CCD video still has tonal problems that 3 CCDs help cure...
     
    David Ruether, Jul 17, 2003
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  14. nappy

    David McCall Guest

    My theory is that AFAIK most/all still cameras are single chip,
    so that will likely be the future of cameras in general. As of today
    you are correct, 3 chips are better than 1.

    David
     
    David McCall, Jul 17, 2003
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  15. The magic word seems to be "Bayer-filter" How many high quality
    digital stills camera's have you seen lately with 3 chips? ;-)

    -m-
     
    Martin Heffels, Jul 18, 2003
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