Nik may disable Photoshop

Discussion in 'Photography' started by PeterN, Nov 3, 2013.

  1. PeterN

    Savageduck Guest

    On 2013-11-03 22:51:27 +0000, PeterN <> said:

    > On 11/3/2013 5:35 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >> On 2013-11-03 21:54:34 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >>
    >>> On 11/3/2013 2:47 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>>> On 2013-11-03 19:18:40 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Here is where it says "Google" on my CS6 NIK Palette.
    >>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_352.jpg >
    >>>>
    >>> <snip>
    >>>
    >>>> Strange! I can run each as a stand-alone pretty much the same way I can
    >>>> run OnOne stuff as a stand-alone.
    >>>>
    >>>> ...and just for giggles here is the stand-alone version of the ColorEfex
    >>>> Pro 4 window, to be used if you want to by-pass LR, PS, etc.
    >>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_353.jpg >
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Here is a screenshot of my pallet.
    >>> <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/Screenshot%202013-11-03%2016.48.48.png>



    That

    is
    >>>

    >> from the Photoshop filter menu and there has been no change to that.
    >> I see the same "Nik Collection" that you see.
    >> However NIK installs a floating tool window which you can choose to use
    >> or not, and that is what Google has branded. It is where you can choose
    >> to go directly to favorite presets or recipes and where some of the
    >> process tools show up if you use the NIK filters selectively with the
    >> brush.
    >>
    >> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_354.jpg >
    >>
    >>

    >
    > I can't find that.


    Try the following:

    Open an image in CS6.

    Go to your filter menu and select one of the NIK plug-ins, say Color Efex Pro4.
    Pick one of the effect or a preset and instead of applying it to the
    entire layer, select "Brush" in the NIK window. That NIK tool palette
    should open. because you have to be able to "Apply" the effect to the
    layer once you are done.
    Now paint the effect to an area on the image where you want it to be
    seen. Once you are done click on "Apply" in that NIK window.

    Note: the selective brush does not appear in the stand-alone or
    Lightroom versions of NIK stuff.


    --
    Regards,

    Savageduck
     
    Savageduck, Nov 3, 2013
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  2. PeterN

    Tony Cooper Guest

    On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 17:51:27 -0500, PeterN
    <> wrote:

    >On 11/3/2013 5:35 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >> On 2013-11-03 21:54:34 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >>
    >>> On 11/3/2013 2:47 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>>> On 2013-11-03 19:18:40 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Here is where it says "Google" on my CS6 NIK Palette.
    >>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_352.jpg >
    >>>>
    >>> <snip>
    >>>
    >>>> Strange! I can run each as a stand-alone pretty much the same way I can
    >>>> run OnOne stuff as a stand-alone.
    >>>>
    >>>> ...and just for giggles here is the stand-alone version of the ColorEfex
    >>>> Pro 4 window, to be used if you want to by-pass LR, PS, etc.
    >>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_353.jpg >
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Here is a screenshot of my pallet.
    >>> <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/Screenshot%202013-11-03%2016.48.48.png>
    >>>

    >>
    >> That
    >>>

    >> is from the Photoshop filter menu and there has been no change to that.
    >> I see the same "Nik Collection" that you see.
    >> However NIK installs a floating tool window which you can choose to use
    >> or not, and that is what Google has branded. It is where you can choose
    >> to go directly to favorite presets or recipes and where some of the
    >> process tools show up if you use the NIK filters selectively with the
    >> brush.
    >>
    >> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_354.jpg >
    >>
    >>

    >
    >I can't find that.


    The "floating tool window" seems to pop up when it feels like popping
    up. It can't be counted on.

    What the Duck's screen shot show is not the floating tool window. It's
    the drop-down from Filter>

    The floating tool window, when it chooses to appear, is a window that
    shows just the Nik tools.



    --
    Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
     
    Tony Cooper, Nov 3, 2013
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  3. PeterN

    Savageduck Guest

    On 2013-11-03 23:34:06 +0000, Tony Cooper <> said:

    > On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 17:51:27 -0500, PeterN
    > <> wrote:
    >
    >> On 11/3/2013 5:35 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>> On 2013-11-03 21:54:34 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >>>
    >>>> On 11/3/2013 2:47 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>>>> On 2013-11-03 19:18:40 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Here is where it says "Google" on my CS6 NIK Palette.
    >>>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_352.jpg >
    >>>>>
    >>>> <snip>
    >>>>
    >>>>> Strange! I can run each as a stand-alone pretty much the same way I can
    >>>>> run OnOne stuff as a stand-alone.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> ...and just for giggles here is the stand-alone version of the ColorEfex
    >>>>> Pro 4 window, to be used if you want to by-pass LR, PS, etc.
    >>>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_353.jpg >
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Here is a screenshot of my pallet.
    >>>> <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/Screenshot%202013-11-03%2016.48.48.png>



    That

    is
    >>>>
    >>> from the Photoshop filter menu and there has been no change to that.
    >>> I see the same "Nik Collection" that you see.
    >>> However NIK installs a floating tool window which you can choose to use
    >>> or not, and that is what Google has branded. It is where you can choose
    >>> to go directly to favorite presets or recipes and where some of the
    >>> process tools show up if you use the NIK filters selectively with the
    >>> brush.
    >>>
    >>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_354.jpg >
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> I can't find that.

    >
    > The "floating tool window" seems to pop up when it feels like popping
    > up. It can't be counted on.
    >
    > What the Duck's screen shot show is not the floating tool window. It's
    > the drop-down from Filter>
    >
    > The floating tool window, when it chooses to appear, is a window that
    > shows just the Nik tools.


    The NIK floating tool window will appear if you choose "Brush" from a
    NIK window, as you need to be able to click on "Apply" from that
    floating tool window when done.
    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_355.jpg >
    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_356.jpg >


    --
    Regards,

    Savageduck
     
    Savageduck, Nov 4, 2013
    #23
  4. PeterN

    Tony Cooper Guest

    On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 16:05:15 -0800, Savageduck
    <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

    >On 2013-11-03 23:34:06 +0000, Tony Cooper <> said:
    >
    >> On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 17:51:27 -0500, PeterN
    >> <> wrote:
    >>
    >>> On 11/3/2013 5:35 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>>> On 2013-11-03 21:54:34 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >>>>
    >>>>> On 11/3/2013 2:47 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>>>>> On 2013-11-03 19:18:40 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Here is where it says "Google" on my CS6 NIK Palette.
    >>>>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_352.jpg >
    >>>>>>
    >>>>> <snip>
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> Strange! I can run each as a stand-alone pretty much the same way I can
    >>>>>> run OnOne stuff as a stand-alone.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> ...and just for giggles here is the stand-alone version of the ColorEfex
    >>>>>> Pro 4 window, to be used if you want to by-pass LR, PS, etc.
    >>>>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_353.jpg >
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Here is a screenshot of my pallet.
    >>>>> <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/Screenshot%202013-11-03%2016.48.48.png>

    >
    >
    >That
    >
    >is
    >>>>>
    >>>> from the Photoshop filter menu and there has been no change to that.
    >>>> I see the same "Nik Collection" that you see.
    >>>> However NIK installs a floating tool window which you can choose to use
    >>>> or not, and that is what Google has branded. It is where you can choose
    >>>> to go directly to favorite presets or recipes and where some of the
    >>>> process tools show up if you use the NIK filters selectively with the
    >>>> brush.
    >>>>
    >>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_354.jpg >
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> I can't find that.

    >>
    >> The "floating tool window" seems to pop up when it feels like popping
    >> up. It can't be counted on.
    >>
    >> What the Duck's screen shot show is not the floating tool window. It's
    >> the drop-down from Filter>
    >>
    >> The floating tool window, when it chooses to appear, is a window that
    >> shows just the Nik tools.

    >
    >The NIK floating tool window will appear if you choose "Brush" from a
    >NIK window, as you need to be able to click on "Apply" from that
    >floating tool window when done.
    >< https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_355.jpg >
    >< https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_356.jpg >


    None of your screenshots show what I think is the "floating window".
    Evidently, your version has a different appearance than mine. This is
    the floating window I'm used to, but I haven't done anything to this
    image yet.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/7yoiudp3kcw14w3/Capture.JPG

    (Grandson was "Homecoming King")
    --
    Tony Cooper - Orlando FL
     
    Tony Cooper, Nov 4, 2013
    #24
  5. PeterN

    PeterN Guest

    On 11/3/2013 6:25 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    > On 2013-11-03 22:51:27 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >
    >> On 11/3/2013 5:35 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>> On 2013-11-03 21:54:34 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >>>
    >>>> On 11/3/2013 2:47 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>>>> On 2013-11-03 19:18:40 +0000, PeterN <>
    >>>>> said:
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Here is where it says "Google" on my CS6 NIK Palette.
    >>>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_352.jpg >
    >>>>>
    >>>> <snip>
    >>>>
    >>>>> Strange! I can run each as a stand-alone pretty much the same way I
    >>>>> can
    >>>>> run OnOne stuff as a stand-alone.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> ...and just for giggles here is the stand-alone version of the
    >>>>> ColorEfex
    >>>>> Pro 4 window, to be used if you want to by-pass LR, PS, etc.
    >>>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_353.jpg >
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Here is a screenshot of my pallet.
    >>>> <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/Screenshot%202013-11-03%2016.48.48.png>
    >>>>

    >
    >
    > That
    >
    > is
    >>>>
    >>> from the Photoshop filter menu and there has been no change to that.
    >>> I see the same "Nik Collection" that you see.
    >>> However NIK installs a floating tool window which you can choose to use
    >>> or not, and that is what Google has branded. It is where you can choose
    >>> to go directly to favorite presets or recipes and where some of the
    >>> process tools show up if you use the NIK filters selectively with the
    >>> brush.
    >>>
    >>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_354.jpg >
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> I can't find that.

    >
    > Try the following:
    >
    > Open an image in CS6.
    >
    > Go to your filter menu and select one of the NIK plug-ins, say Color
    > Efex Pro4.
    > Pick one of the effect or a preset and instead of applying it to the
    > entire layer, select "Brush" in the NIK window. That NIK tool palette
    > should open. because you have to be able to "Apply" the effect to the
    > layer once you are done.
    > Now paint the effect to an area on the image where you want it to be
    > seen. Once you are done click on "Apply" in that NIK window.
    >
    > Note: the selective brush does not appear in the stand-alone or
    > Lightroom versions of NIK stuff.
    >
    >


    Thanks. As you might have guessed, I have never used the brushes in Nik.
    I have it set to create a new layer, and use masking, blending and opacity.
    My pallet only says "Google." But as long as it works, it doesn't matter.

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    PeterN, Nov 4, 2013
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  6. PeterN

    Savageduck Guest

    On 2013-11-04 01:25:57 +0000, Tony Cooper <> said:

    > On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 16:05:15 -0800, Savageduck
    > <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:
    >
    >> On 2013-11-03 23:34:06 +0000, Tony Cooper <> said:
    >>
    >>> On Sun, 03 Nov 2013 17:51:27 -0500, PeterN
    >>> <> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On 11/3/2013 5:35 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>>>> On 2013-11-03 21:54:34 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> On 11/3/2013 2:47 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>>>>>> On 2013-11-03 19:18:40 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Here is where it says "Google" on my CS6 NIK Palette.
    >>>>>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_352.jpg >
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>> <snip>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Strange! I can run each as a stand-alone pretty much the same way I can
    >>>>>>> run OnOne stuff as a stand-alone.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> ...and just for giggles here is the stand-alone version of the ColorEfex
    >>>>>>> Pro 4 window, to be used if you want to by-pass LR, PS, etc.
    >>>>>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_353.jpg >
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Here is a screenshot of my pallet.
    >>>>>> <https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/97242118/Screenshot%202013-11-03%2016.48.48.png>



    That

    is

    from
    >>>>>>
    >>>>> the Photoshop filter menu and there has been no change to that.
    >>>>> I see the same "Nik Collection" that you see.
    >>>>> However NIK installs a floating tool window which you can choose to use
    >>>>> or not, and that is what Google has branded. It is where you can choose
    >>>>> to go directly to favorite presets or recipes and where some of the
    >>>>> process tools show up if you use the NIK filters selectively with the
    >>>>> brush.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_354.jpg >
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> I can't find that.
    >>>
    >>> The "floating tool window" seems to pop up when it feels like popping
    >>> up. It can't be counted on.
    >>>
    >>> What the Duck's screen shot show is not the floating tool window. It's
    >>> the drop-down from Filter>
    >>>
    >>> The floating tool window, when it chooses to appear, is a window that
    >>> shows just the Nik tools.

    >>
    >> The NIK floating tool window will appear if you choose "Brush" from a
    >> NIK window, as you need to be able to click on "Apply" from that
    >> floating tool window when done.
    >> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_355.jpg >
    >> < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_356.jpg >

    >
    > None of your screenshots show what I think is the "floating window".
    > Evidently, your version has a different appearance than mine. This is
    > the floating window I'm used to, but I haven't done anything to this
    > image yet.
    >
    > https://www.dropbox.com/s/7yoiudp3kcw14w3/Capture.JPG
    >
    > (Grandson was "Homecoming King")


    I guess there are some appearance differences between OSX versions of
    CS6 and NIK stuff and the Windows version, but if you actually look at
    my image you will see the "floating window". The "Tools" and the
    "Apply" button will only appear once you have clicked on the "Brush"
    button in the NIK application window.

    < https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1295663/FileChute/screenshot_356.jpg >

    ....and in the one you posted above you will see we are in fact dealing
    with the same "floating window". Just grab a corner and stretch it out
    so you can see the entire window.


    --
    Regards,

    Savageduck
     
    Savageduck, Nov 4, 2013
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  7. PeterN

    otter Guest

    On 11/3/2013 9:44 AM, PeterN wrote:
    > There have been reports where Photoshop suddenly stops working, where
    > Nik software has been installed. It appears to happen only to people who
    > have purchased Nik before the Google acquisition, and have auto update
    > turned on. According to the report, an update was sent. If you have this
    > issue, the fix is to download the trial version from the Nik website and
    > use your serial number.
    >
    >


    Interesting. I had just the opposite problem today. Photoshop CC
    updated, and Nik stopped working. I had to find the Nik download and
    reinstall it. Got everything working again, but it was a hassle.
     
    otter, Nov 10, 2013
    #27
  8. PeterN

    PeterN Guest

    On 11/10/2013 2:18 AM, otter wrote:
    > On 11/3/2013 9:44 AM, PeterN wrote:
    >> There have been reports where Photoshop suddenly stops working, where
    >> Nik software has been installed. It appears to happen only to people who
    >> have purchased Nik before the Google acquisition, and have auto update
    >> turned on. According to the report, an update was sent. If you have this
    >> issue, the fix is to download the trial version from the Nik website and
    >> use your serial number.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Interesting. I had just the opposite problem today. Photoshop CC
    > updated, and Nik stopped working. I had to find the Nik download and
    > reinstall it. Got everything working again, but it was a hassle.


    I have not yet "upgraded" to CC, though I probably will.


    --
    PeterN
     
    PeterN, Nov 10, 2013
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  9. PeterN

    Savageduck Guest

    On 2013-11-10 18:37:31 +0000, PeterN <> said:

    > On 11/10/2013 2:18 AM, otter wrote:
    >> On 11/3/2013 9:44 AM, PeterN wrote:
    >>> There have been reports where Photoshop suddenly stops working, where
    >>> Nik software has been installed. It appears to happen only to people who
    >>> have purchased Nik before the Google acquisition, and have auto update
    >>> turned on. According to the report, an update was sent. If you have this
    >>> issue, the fix is to download the trial version from the Nik website and
    >>> use your serial number.
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >> Interesting. I had just the opposite problem today. Photoshop CC
    >> updated, and Nik stopped working. I had to find the Nik download and
    >> reinstall it. Got everything working again, but it was a hassle.

    >
    > I have not yet "upgraded" to CC, though I probably will.


    For me currently running PS CS6 I just can't see opting into the CC
    subscription plan just yet. Though it is a viable and affordable
    upgrade path well within my usual Photoshop upgrade practice(habit).
    I will probably upgrade from LR4 to LR5 in the near future as that has
    one or two new features also found in PS CC which might prove useful.

    --
    Regards,

    Savageduck
     
    Savageduck, Nov 10, 2013
    #29
  10. PeterN

    PeterN Guest

    On 11/10/2013 1:59 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    > On 2013-11-10 18:37:31 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >
    >> On 11/10/2013 2:18 AM, otter wrote:
    >>> On 11/3/2013 9:44 AM, PeterN wrote:
    >>>> There have been reports where Photoshop suddenly stops working, where
    >>>> Nik software has been installed. It appears to happen only to people
    >>>> who
    >>>> have purchased Nik before the Google acquisition, and have auto update
    >>>> turned on. According to the report, an update was sent. If you have
    >>>> this
    >>>> issue, the fix is to download the trial version from the Nik website
    >>>> and
    >>>> use your serial number.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Interesting. I had just the opposite problem today. Photoshop CC
    >>> updated, and Nik stopped working. I had to find the Nik download and
    >>> reinstall it. Got everything working again, but it was a hassle.

    >>
    >> I have not yet "upgraded" to CC, though I probably will.

    >
    > For me currently running PS CS6 I just can't see opting into the CC
    > subscription plan just yet. Though it is a viable and affordable upgrade
    > path well within my usual Photoshop upgrade practice(habit).
    > I will probably upgrade from LR4 to LR5 in the near future as that has
    > one or two new features also found in PS CC which might prove useful.
    >


    I have been going back and forth about that. But, the upgrade price is
    fair, and there is a cutoff date.

    --
    PeterN
     
    PeterN, Nov 10, 2013
    #30
  11. PeterN

    Savageduck Guest

    On 2013-11-10 20:17:44 +0000, PeterN <> said:

    > On 11/10/2013 1:59 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >> On 2013-11-10 18:37:31 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >>
    >>> On 11/10/2013 2:18 AM, otter wrote:
    >>>> On 11/3/2013 9:44 AM, PeterN wrote:
    >>>>> There have been reports where Photoshop suddenly stops working, where
    >>>>> Nik software has been installed. It appears to happen only to people
    >>>>> who
    >>>>> have purchased Nik before the Google acquisition, and have auto update
    >>>>> turned on. According to the report, an update was sent. If you have
    >>>>> this
    >>>>> issue, the fix is to download the trial version from the Nik website
    >>>>> and
    >>>>> use your serial number.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Interesting. I had just the opposite problem today. Photoshop CC
    >>>> updated, and Nik stopped working. I had to find the Nik download and
    >>>> reinstall it. Got everything working again, but it was a hassle.
    >>>
    >>> I have not yet "upgraded" to CC, though I probably will.

    >>
    >> For me currently running PS CS6 I just can't see opting into the CC
    >> subscription plan just yet. Though it is a viable and affordable upgrade
    >> path well within my usual Photoshop upgrade practice(habit).
    >> I will probably upgrade from LR4 to LR5 in the near future as that has
    >> one or two new features also found in PS CC which might prove useful.
    >>

    >
    > I have been going back and forth about that. But, the upgrade price is
    > fair, and there is a cutoff date.


    That is for the 1 year deal after which the subscription renews at the
    current contract. So that locks you into $120/year instead of the
    $20/month new user contract.
    We have until the end of the year to decide, so perhaps I will do the
    personal Xmas present. That package includes LR5 so it would save me
    the cost of that upgrade. The more I think about it the more it makes
    sense.
    < https://creative.adobe.com/plans/offer/photoshop+lightroom >

    --
    Regards,

    Savageduck
     
    Savageduck, Nov 10, 2013
    #31
  12. PeterN

    PeterN Guest

    On 11/10/2013 3:28 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    > On 2013-11-10 20:17:44 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >
    >> On 11/10/2013 1:59 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>> On 2013-11-10 18:37:31 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >>>
    >>>> On 11/10/2013 2:18 AM, otter wrote:
    >>>>> On 11/3/2013 9:44 AM, PeterN wrote:
    >>>>>> There have been reports where Photoshop suddenly stops working, where
    >>>>>> Nik software has been installed. It appears to happen only to people
    >>>>>> who
    >>>>>> have purchased Nik before the Google acquisition, and have auto
    >>>>>> update
    >>>>>> turned on. According to the report, an update was sent. If you have
    >>>>>> this
    >>>>>> issue, the fix is to download the trial version from the Nik website
    >>>>>> and
    >>>>>> use your serial number.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Interesting. I had just the opposite problem today. Photoshop CC
    >>>>> updated, and Nik stopped working. I had to find the Nik download and
    >>>>> reinstall it. Got everything working again, but it was a hassle.
    >>>>
    >>>> I have not yet "upgraded" to CC, though I probably will.
    >>>
    >>> For me currently running PS CS6 I just can't see opting into the CC
    >>> subscription plan just yet. Though it is a viable and affordable upgrade
    >>> path well within my usual Photoshop upgrade practice(habit).
    >>> I will probably upgrade from LR4 to LR5 in the near future as that has
    >>> one or two new features also found in PS CC which might prove useful.
    >>>

    >>
    >> I have been going back and forth about that. But, the upgrade price is
    >> fair, and there is a cutoff date.

    >
    > That is for the 1 year deal after which the subscription renews at the
    > current contract. So that locks you into $120/year instead of the
    > $20/month new user contract.
    > We have until the end of the year to decide, so perhaps I will do the
    > personal Xmas present. That package includes LR5 so it would save me the
    > cost of that upgrade. The more I think about it the more it makes sense.
    > < https://creative.adobe.com/plans/offer/photoshop+lightroom >
    >


    Somewhere I read that the 120 per year price would be maintained. the
    current offering does not say that. If the current price (not an
    upgrade,) is 240 per year, then the renewal price will be 240. the terms
    specifically say it will automatically be renewed for the "then current
    price of the offering."

    --
    PeterN
     
    PeterN, Nov 10, 2013
    #32
  13. PeterN

    Savageduck Guest

    On 2013-11-10 22:05:14 +0000, PeterN <> said:

    > On 11/10/2013 3:28 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >> On 2013-11-10 20:17:44 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >>
    >>> On 11/10/2013 1:59 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>>> On 2013-11-10 18:37:31 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >>>>
    >>>>> On 11/10/2013 2:18 AM, otter wrote:
    >>>>>> On 11/3/2013 9:44 AM, PeterN wrote:
    >>>>>>> There have been reports where Photoshop suddenly stops working, where
    >>>>>>> Nik software has been installed. It appears to happen only to people
    >>>>>>> who
    >>>>>>> have purchased Nik before the Google acquisition, and have auto
    >>>>>>> update
    >>>>>>> turned on. According to the report, an update was sent. If you have
    >>>>>>> this
    >>>>>>> issue, the fix is to download the trial version from the Nik website
    >>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>> use your serial number.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Interesting. I had just the opposite problem today. Photoshop CC
    >>>>>> updated, and Nik stopped working. I had to find the Nik download and
    >>>>>> reinstall it. Got everything working again, but it was a hassle.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I have not yet "upgraded" to CC, though I probably will.
    >>>>
    >>>> For me currently running PS CS6 I just can't see opting into the CC
    >>>> subscription plan just yet. Though it is a viable and affordable upgrade
    >>>> path well within my usual Photoshop upgrade practice(habit).
    >>>> I will probably upgrade from LR4 to LR5 in the near future as that has
    >>>> one or two new features also found in PS CC which might prove useful.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> I have been going back and forth about that. But, the upgrade price is
    >>> fair, and there is a cutoff date.

    >>
    >> That is for the 1 year deal after which the subscription renews at the
    >> current contract. So that locks you into $120/year instead of the
    >> $20/month new user contract.
    >> We have until the end of the year to decide, so perhaps I will do the
    >> personal Xmas present. That package includes LR5 so it would save me the
    >> cost of that upgrade. The more I think about it the more it makes sense.
    >> < https://creative.adobe.com/plans/offer/photoshop+lightroom >
    >>

    >
    > Somewhere I read that the 120 per year price would be maintained.


    That is what they say.
    "This offer includes access to Photoshop CC and Lightroom 5, plus
    feature updates and upgrades as they are available; 20GB of cloud
    storage for file sharing and collaboration; and Behance ProSite for
    your own fully customizable professional portfolio. That means you get
    all the benefits of a Creative Cloud single-app membership for
    Photoshop CC, but with Lightroom 5 included as well, for a terrific
    monthly price.
    This offer is available to customers who own a previous commercial
    version of Photoshop or Photoshop Extended, version CS3 or later
    (CS3.x, CS4, CS5.x, or CS6). Suites and volume licenses do not qualify.
    Requires an annual commitment with monthly billing. Available for
    purchase through December 31, 2013 from Adobe.com only."
    The term are spelt out here, and the renewal though vague, implies that
    you can be locked in at the special current offering rate:
    "VOID WHERE PROHIBITED OR RESTRICTED BY LAW. Eligible customers may
    purchase an Adobe Creative Cloud membership to Photoshop CC™ and Adobe®
    Photoshop Lightroom 5 bundled together for a reduced price. Offer valid
    for purchases of an annual plan, which requires a 12-month contract.
    This offer is only available to customers who own an older version of a
    Photoshop or Photoshop Extended product, version CS3 or later (CS3.x,
    CS4, CS5.x, or CS6), and who purchase directly from the Adobe Store or
    by calling a regional Adobe Call Center. This offer is not available to
    Education, OEM, or volume licensing customers. Residents of embargoed
    countries are not eligible. This offer is limited to one (1) purchase
    per customer. Offer is subject to U.S. export control laws and laws
    where the recipient resides. Offer may not be assigned, exchanged,
    sold, transferred, or combined with any other discount or offer, or
    redeemed for cash or other goods and services. Offer is valid until
    December 31, 2013, and can be changed without notice.  Void where
    prohibited or restricted by law.
    Renewal 
After the first 12 months, we will automatically renew your
    contract based on the current price of the offering.
    Cancellation 
We'd hate to see you go, but if you cancel within the
    first 30 days starting from your contract date, we'll give you a full
    refund. Otherwise, you'll be billed 50% of your remaining contract
    obligation for the cancellation or removal of seats. If you ever need
    to cancel, just call Customer Support"


    > the current offering does not say that. If the current price (not an
    > upgrade,) is 240 per year, then the renewal price will be 240. the
    > terms specifically say it will automatically be renewed for the "then
    > current price of the offering."


    The special offering is only for prior owners of CS3-CS6, so if you are
    a newcomer to PS via CC you are in for the single module
    $20/month-$240/year.
    From the FAQ:
    "Only customers who own a previous version of Photoshop CS3 or later qualify."

    So, as I said, I will probably give it a try. For $10/month I can't go
    too far wrong. In the worst case scenario I still have CS6 & LR4.

    --
    Regards,

    Savageduck
     
    Savageduck, Nov 11, 2013
    #33
  14. PeterN

    PeterN Guest

    On 11/10/2013 7:12 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    > On 2013-11-10 22:05:14 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >
    >> On 11/10/2013 3:28 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>> On 2013-11-10 20:17:44 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >>>
    >>>> On 11/10/2013 1:59 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>>>> On 2013-11-10 18:37:31 +0000, PeterN <>
    >>>>> said:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> On 11/10/2013 2:18 AM, otter wrote:
    >>>>>>> On 11/3/2013 9:44 AM, PeterN wrote:
    >>>>>>>> There have been reports where Photoshop suddenly stops working,
    >>>>>>>> where
    >>>>>>>> Nik software has been installed. It appears to happen only to
    >>>>>>>> people
    >>>>>>>> who
    >>>>>>>> have purchased Nik before the Google acquisition, and have auto
    >>>>>>>> update
    >>>>>>>> turned on. According to the report, an update was sent. If you have
    >>>>>>>> this
    >>>>>>>> issue, the fix is to download the trial version from the Nik
    >>>>>>>> website
    >>>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>>> use your serial number.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> Interesting. I had just the opposite problem today. Photoshop CC
    >>>>>>> updated, and Nik stopped working. I had to find the Nik download
    >>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>> reinstall it. Got everything working again, but it was a hassle.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I have not yet "upgraded" to CC, though I probably will.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> For me currently running PS CS6 I just can't see opting into the CC
    >>>>> subscription plan just yet. Though it is a viable and affordable
    >>>>> upgrade
    >>>>> path well within my usual Photoshop upgrade practice(habit).
    >>>>> I will probably upgrade from LR4 to LR5 in the near future as that has
    >>>>> one or two new features also found in PS CC which might prove useful.
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> I have been going back and forth about that. But, the upgrade price is
    >>>> fair, and there is a cutoff date.
    >>>
    >>> That is for the 1 year deal after which the subscription renews at the
    >>> current contract. So that locks you into $120/year instead of the
    >>> $20/month new user contract.
    >>> We have until the end of the year to decide, so perhaps I will do the
    >>> personal Xmas present. That package includes LR5 so it would save me the
    >>> cost of that upgrade. The more I think about it the more it makes sense.
    >>> < https://creative.adobe.com/plans/offer/photoshop+lightroom >
    >>>

    >>
    >> Somewhere I read that the 120 per year price would be maintained.

    >
    > That is what they say.
    > "This offer includes access to Photoshop CC and Lightroom 5, plus
    > feature updates and upgrades as they are available; 20GB of cloud
    > storage for file sharing and collaboration; and Behance ProSite for your
    > own fully customizable professional portfolio. That means you get all
    > the benefits of a Creative Cloud single-app membership for Photoshop CC,
    > but with Lightroom 5 included as well, for a terrific monthly price.
    > This offer is available to customers who own a previous commercial
    > version of Photoshop or Photoshop Extended, version CS3 or later (CS3.x,
    > CS4, CS5.x, or CS6). Suites and volume licenses do not qualify. Requires
    > an annual commitment with monthly billing. Available for purchase
    > through December 31, 2013 from Adobe.com only."
    > The term are spelt out here, and the renewal though vague, implies that
    > you can be locked in at the special current offering rate:
    > "VOID WHERE PROHIBITED OR RESTRICTED BY LAW. Eligible customers may
    > purchase an Adobe Creative Cloud membership to Photoshop CC™ and Adobe®
    > Photoshop Lightroom 5 bundled together for a reduced price. Offer valid
    > for purchases of an annual plan, which requires a 12-month contract.
    > This offer is only available to customers who own an older version of a
    > Photoshop or Photoshop Extended product, version CS3 or later (CS3.x,
    > CS4, CS5.x, or CS6), and who purchase directly from the Adobe Store or
    > by calling a regional Adobe Call Center. This offer is not available to
    > Education, OEM, or volume licensing customers. Residents of embargoed
    > countries are not eligible. This offer is limited to one (1) purchase
    > per customer. Offer is subject to U.S. export control laws and laws
    > where the recipient resides. Offer may not be assigned, exchanged, sold,
    > transferred, or combined with any other discount or offer, or redeemed
    > for cash or other goods and services. Offer is valid until December 31,
    > 2013, and can be changed without notice. Void where prohibited or
    > restricted by law.
    > Renewal 
After the first 12 months, we will automatically renew your
    > contract based on the current price of the offering.
    > Cancellation 
We'd hate to see you go, but if you cancel within the
    > first 30 days starting from your contract date, we'll give you a full
    > refund. Otherwise, you'll be billed 50% of your remaining contract
    > obligation for the cancellation or removal of seats. If you ever need to
    > cancel, just call Customer Support"
    >
    >
    >> the current offering does not say that. If the current price (not an
    >> upgrade,) is 240 per year, then the renewal price will be 240. the
    >> terms specifically say it will automatically be renewed for the "then
    >> current price of the offering."

    >
    > The special offering is only for prior owners of CS3-CS6, so if you are
    > a newcomer to PS via CC you are in for the single module
    > $20/month-$240/year.
    > From the FAQ:
    > "Only customers who own a previous version of Photoshop CS3 or later
    > qualify."
    >
    > So, as I said, I will probably give it a try. For $10/month I can't go
    > too far wrong. In the worst case scenario I still have CS6 & LR4.
    >


    Because of the ambiguity, I will use a telephone signup. That way I will
    have a live person to blame. ;-p


    --
    PeterN
     
    PeterN, Nov 11, 2013
    #34
  15. PeterN

    otter Guest

    On 11/11/2013 5:33 AM, PeterN wrote:
    > On 11/10/2013 7:12 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >> On 2013-11-10 22:05:14 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >>
    >>> On 11/10/2013 3:28 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>>> On 2013-11-10 20:17:44 +0000, PeterN <>
    >>>> said:
    >>>>
    >>>>> On 11/10/2013 1:59 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>>>>> On 2013-11-10 18:37:31 +0000, PeterN <>
    >>>>>> said:
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>>> On 11/10/2013 2:18 AM, otter wrote:
    >>>>>>>> On 11/3/2013 9:44 AM, PeterN wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> There have been reports where Photoshop suddenly stops working,
    >>>>>>>>> where
    >>>>>>>>> Nik software has been installed. It appears to happen only to
    >>>>>>>>> people
    >>>>>>>>> who
    >>>>>>>>> have purchased Nik before the Google acquisition, and have auto
    >>>>>>>>> update
    >>>>>>>>> turned on. According to the report, an update was sent. If you
    >>>>>>>>> have
    >>>>>>>>> this
    >>>>>>>>> issue, the fix is to download the trial version from the Nik
    >>>>>>>>> website
    >>>>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>>>> use your serial number.
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> Interesting. I had just the opposite problem today. Photoshop CC
    >>>>>>>> updated, and Nik stopped working. I had to find the Nik download
    >>>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>>> reinstall it. Got everything working again, but it was a hassle.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> I have not yet "upgraded" to CC, though I probably will.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> For me currently running PS CS6 I just can't see opting into the CC
    >>>>>> subscription plan just yet. Though it is a viable and affordable
    >>>>>> upgrade
    >>>>>> path well within my usual Photoshop upgrade practice(habit).
    >>>>>> I will probably upgrade from LR4 to LR5 in the near future as that
    >>>>>> has
    >>>>>> one or two new features also found in PS CC which might prove useful.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I have been going back and forth about that. But, the upgrade price is
    >>>>> fair, and there is a cutoff date.
    >>>>
    >>>> That is for the 1 year deal after which the subscription renews at the
    >>>> current contract. So that locks you into $120/year instead of the
    >>>> $20/month new user contract.
    >>>> We have until the end of the year to decide, so perhaps I will do the
    >>>> personal Xmas present. That package includes LR5 so it would save me
    >>>> the
    >>>> cost of that upgrade. The more I think about it the more it makes
    >>>> sense.
    >>>> < https://creative.adobe.com/plans/offer/photoshop+lightroom >
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> Somewhere I read that the 120 per year price would be maintained.

    >>
    >> That is what they say.
    >> "This offer includes access to Photoshop CC and Lightroom 5, plus
    >> feature updates and upgrades as they are available; 20GB of cloud
    >> storage for file sharing and collaboration; and Behance ProSite for your
    >> own fully customizable professional portfolio. That means you get all
    >> the benefits of a Creative Cloud single-app membership for Photoshop CC,
    >> but with Lightroom 5 included as well, for a terrific monthly price.
    >> This offer is available to customers who own a previous commercial
    >> version of Photoshop or Photoshop Extended, version CS3 or later (CS3.x,
    >> CS4, CS5.x, or CS6). Suites and volume licenses do not qualify. Requires
    >> an annual commitment with monthly billing. Available for purchase
    >> through December 31, 2013 from Adobe.com only."
    >> The term are spelt out here, and the renewal though vague, implies that
    >> you can be locked in at the special current offering rate:
    >> "VOID WHERE PROHIBITED OR RESTRICTED BY LAW. Eligible customers may
    >> purchase an Adobe Creative Cloud membership to Photoshop CC™ and Adobe®
    >> Photoshop Lightroom 5 bundled together for a reduced price. Offer valid
    >> for purchases of an annual plan, which requires a 12-month contract.
    >> This offer is only available to customers who own an older version of a
    >> Photoshop or Photoshop Extended product, version CS3 or later (CS3.x,
    >> CS4, CS5.x, or CS6), and who purchase directly from the Adobe Store or
    >> by calling a regional Adobe Call Center. This offer is not available to
    >> Education, OEM, or volume licensing customers. Residents of embargoed
    >> countries are not eligible. This offer is limited to one (1) purchase
    >> per customer. Offer is subject to U.S. export control laws and laws
    >> where the recipient resides. Offer may not be assigned, exchanged, sold,
    >> transferred, or combined with any other discount or offer, or redeemed
    >> for cash or other goods and services. Offer is valid until December 31,
    >> 2013, and can be changed without notice. Void where prohibited or
    >> restricted by law.
    >> Renewal 
After the first 12 months, we will automatically renew your
    >> contract based on the current price of the offering.
    >> Cancellation 
We'd hate to see you go, but if you cancel within the
    >> first 30 days starting from your contract date, we'll give you a full
    >> refund. Otherwise, you'll be billed 50% of your remaining contract
    >> obligation for the cancellation or removal of seats. If you ever need to
    >> cancel, just call Customer Support"
    >>
    >>
    >>> the current offering does not say that. If the current price (not an
    >>> upgrade,) is 240 per year, then the renewal price will be 240. the
    >>> terms specifically say it will automatically be renewed for the "then
    >>> current price of the offering."

    >>
    >> The special offering is only for prior owners of CS3-CS6, so if you are
    >> a newcomer to PS via CC you are in for the single module
    >> $20/month-$240/year.
    >> From the FAQ:
    >> "Only customers who own a previous version of Photoshop CS3 or later
    >> qualify."
    >>
    >> So, as I said, I will probably give it a try. For $10/month I can't go
    >> too far wrong. In the worst case scenario I still have CS6 & LR4.
    >>

    >
    > Because of the ambiguity, I will use a telephone signup. That way I will
    > have a live person to blame. ;-p
    >
    >

    Those are definitely weasel words. The guy I spoke with on the phone
    was very clear that the subscription would be renewed at the now current
    price, and not some current price in the future, but I didn't record him
    saying that. In any event, the written conditions always take priority
    over what some lowly employee says on the phone.

    So, I suppose some time in the future, Adobe could put the screws to me.
    However, I still have CS6 to fall back on if that happens. The
    $10/month makes a LOT of sense to me, if it continues. I spent a lot
    more than that on upgrades to both LR & CS the last few years.

    I think I could figure a way to get out of it if I had to.
     
    otter, Nov 17, 2013
    #35
  16. PeterN

    Savageduck Guest

    On 2013-11-17 20:08:50 +0000, otter <> said:

    > On 11/11/2013 5:33Those are definitely weasel words. The guy I spoke
    > with on the phone was very clear that the subscription would be renewed
    > at the now current price, and not some current price in the future, but
    > I didn't record him saying that.


    The ambiguity remains; Is that the current promotional price, or the
    current standard single app subscription price?

    > In any event, the written conditions always take priority over what
    > some lowly employee says on the phone.


    Yup!

    > So, I suppose some time in the future, Adobe could put the screws to
    > me. However, I still have CS6 to fall back on if that happens. The
    > $10/month makes a LOT of sense to me, if it continues. I spent a lot
    > more than that on upgrades to both LR & CS the last few years.
    >
    > I think I could figure a way to get out of it if I had to.


    Agreed, I have PS CC + the CC version of LR5 up and running and I am
    quite happy. The way I see it, for $120 I have discounted upgrades on
    CS6, LR4 to LR5, and what ever comes along in the next year for PS CC
    and the latest update to LR. I would have spent $300-$400 to cover that
    upgrade path.


    --
    Regards,

    Savageduck
     
    Savageduck, Nov 17, 2013
    #36
  17. PeterN

    PeterN Guest

    On 11/17/2013 3:08 PM, otter wrote:
    > On 11/11/2013 5:33 AM, PeterN wrote:
    >> On 11/10/2013 7:12 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>> On 2013-11-10 22:05:14 +0000, PeterN <> said:
    >>>
    >>>> On 11/10/2013 3:28 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>>>> On 2013-11-10 20:17:44 +0000, PeterN <>
    >>>>> said:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> On 11/10/2013 1:59 PM, Savageduck wrote:
    >>>>>>> On 2013-11-10 18:37:31 +0000, PeterN <>
    >>>>>>> said:
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> On 11/10/2013 2:18 AM, otter wrote:
    >>>>>>>>> On 11/3/2013 9:44 AM, PeterN wrote:
    >>>>>>>>>> There have been reports where Photoshop suddenly stops working,
    >>>>>>>>>> where
    >>>>>>>>>> Nik software has been installed. It appears to happen only to
    >>>>>>>>>> people
    >>>>>>>>>> who
    >>>>>>>>>> have purchased Nik before the Google acquisition, and have auto
    >>>>>>>>>> update
    >>>>>>>>>> turned on. According to the report, an update was sent. If you
    >>>>>>>>>> have
    >>>>>>>>>> this
    >>>>>>>>>> issue, the fix is to download the trial version from the Nik
    >>>>>>>>>> website
    >>>>>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>>>>> use your serial number.
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>>> Interesting. I had just the opposite problem today. Photoshop CC
    >>>>>>>>> updated, and Nik stopped working. I had to find the Nik download
    >>>>>>>>> and
    >>>>>>>>> reinstall it. Got everything working again, but it was a hassle.
    >>>>>>>>
    >>>>>>>> I have not yet "upgraded" to CC, though I probably will.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>> For me currently running PS CS6 I just can't see opting into the CC
    >>>>>>> subscription plan just yet. Though it is a viable and affordable
    >>>>>>> upgrade
    >>>>>>> path well within my usual Photoshop upgrade practice(habit).
    >>>>>>> I will probably upgrade from LR4 to LR5 in the near future as that
    >>>>>>> has
    >>>>>>> one or two new features also found in PS CC which might prove
    >>>>>>> useful.
    >>>>>>>
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> I have been going back and forth about that. But, the upgrade
    >>>>>> price is
    >>>>>> fair, and there is a cutoff date.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> That is for the 1 year deal after which the subscription renews at the
    >>>>> current contract. So that locks you into $120/year instead of the
    >>>>> $20/month new user contract.
    >>>>> We have until the end of the year to decide, so perhaps I will do the
    >>>>> personal Xmas present. That package includes LR5 so it would save me
    >>>>> the
    >>>>> cost of that upgrade. The more I think about it the more it makes
    >>>>> sense.
    >>>>> < https://creative.adobe.com/plans/offer/photoshop+lightroom >
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Somewhere I read that the 120 per year price would be maintained.
    >>>
    >>> That is what they say.
    >>> "This offer includes access to Photoshop CC and Lightroom 5, plus
    >>> feature updates and upgrades as they are available; 20GB of cloud
    >>> storage for file sharing and collaboration; and Behance ProSite for your
    >>> own fully customizable professional portfolio. That means you get all
    >>> the benefits of a Creative Cloud single-app membership for Photoshop CC,
    >>> but with Lightroom 5 included as well, for a terrific monthly price.
    >>> This offer is available to customers who own a previous commercial
    >>> version of Photoshop or Photoshop Extended, version CS3 or later (CS3.x,
    >>> CS4, CS5.x, or CS6). Suites and volume licenses do not qualify. Requires
    >>> an annual commitment with monthly billing. Available for purchase
    >>> through December 31, 2013 from Adobe.com only."
    >>> The term are spelt out here, and the renewal though vague, implies that
    >>> you can be locked in at the special current offering rate:
    >>> "VOID WHERE PROHIBITED OR RESTRICTED BY LAW. Eligible customers may
    >>> purchase an Adobe Creative Cloud membership to Photoshop CC™ and Adobe®
    >>> Photoshop Lightroom 5 bundled together for a reduced price. Offer valid
    >>> for purchases of an annual plan, which requires a 12-month contract.
    >>> This offer is only available to customers who own an older version of a
    >>> Photoshop or Photoshop Extended product, version CS3 or later (CS3.x,
    >>> CS4, CS5.x, or CS6), and who purchase directly from the Adobe Store or
    >>> by calling a regional Adobe Call Center. This offer is not available to
    >>> Education, OEM, or volume licensing customers. Residents of embargoed
    >>> countries are not eligible. This offer is limited to one (1) purchase
    >>> per customer. Offer is subject to U.S. export control laws and laws
    >>> where the recipient resides. Offer may not be assigned, exchanged, sold,
    >>> transferred, or combined with any other discount or offer, or redeemed
    >>> for cash or other goods and services. Offer is valid until December 31,
    >>> 2013, and can be changed without notice. Void where prohibited or
    >>> restricted by law.
    >>> Renewal 
After the first 12 months, we will automatically renew your
    >>> contract based on the current price of the offering.
    >>> Cancellation 
We'd hate to see you go, but if you cancel within the
    >>> first 30 days starting from your contract date, we'll give you a full
    >>> refund. Otherwise, you'll be billed 50% of your remaining contract
    >>> obligation for the cancellation or removal of seats. If you ever need to
    >>> cancel, just call Customer Support"
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> the current offering does not say that. If the current price (not an
    >>>> upgrade,) is 240 per year, then the renewal price will be 240. the
    >>>> terms specifically say it will automatically be renewed for the "then
    >>>> current price of the offering."
    >>>
    >>> The special offering is only for prior owners of CS3-CS6, so if you are
    >>> a newcomer to PS via CC you are in for the single module
    >>> $20/month-$240/year.
    >>> From the FAQ:
    >>> "Only customers who own a previous version of Photoshop CS3 or later
    >>> qualify."
    >>>
    >>> So, as I said, I will probably give it a try. For $10/month I can't go
    >>> too far wrong. In the worst case scenario I still have CS6 & LR4.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Because of the ambiguity, I will use a telephone signup. That way I will
    >> have a live person to blame. ;-p
    >>
    >>

    > Those are definitely weasel words.


    Yup!

    The guy I spoke with on the phone
    > was very clear that the subscription would be renewed at the now current
    > price, and not some current price in the future, but I didn't record him
    > saying that. In any event, the written conditions always take priority
    > over what some lowly employee says on the phone.
    >


    Agreed. The written words do not make things clear that the promotional
    rate will continue. And taken literally, mean that the second year will
    cost me $240 per year, which is almost 55% more than I would pay if I
    was to upgrade every 18 months at the current rate.
    upgrade price 200 for 18 months = $11.11 per month vs $20. per month.
    That is a significant price increase. And considerably more than the
    current rate. I'm not saying it's a deal breaker, but I cannot justify
    the payments in terms of: "It's not much more than I am paying now."


    > So, I suppose some time in the future, Adobe could put the screws to me.
    > However, I still have CS6 to fall back on if that happens. The
    > $10/month makes a LOT of sense to me, if it continues. I spent a lot
    > more than that on upgrades to both LR & CS the last few years.
    >
    > I think I could figure a way to get out of it if I had to.



    --
    PeterN
     
    PeterN, Nov 17, 2013
    #37
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