Nikkor lenses

Discussion in 'Digital SLR' started by Avery, Jan 15, 2005.

  1. Avery

    Avery Guest

    Hi,

    I picked up the D70 kit w/ lens. Should I have forgone the lens and
    purchased something different? I don't know if I like this lens very
    much. Oh well.

    I am also curious to know your opinions on fisheye lenses. How does the
    Nikkor 16mm wide-angle fisheye compare to the 10.5mm DX fisheye for
    digital SLR?

    My disclaimer: I don't have a clue about photography, just started and
    loving it!

    Best,
    Avery
     
    Avery, Jan 15, 2005
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    Ed Ruf Guest

    First, why don't you like the lens? Build quality, image quality, compared
    to what?
     
    Ed Ruf, Jan 15, 2005
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    C J Campbell Guest

    The first thing that happens when you buy a kit like this is you start
    reading negative comments in news groups like this and reviews and other
    stuff. Your friends tell you that the kit lens is 'cheap' and, sure enough,
    pretty soon you don't know if you like the lens very much. Every lens has
    its pluses and minuses. This particular lens has far more pluses than
    minuses, but you wouldn't know it from the caterwauling you see around here.

    It is a fine lens. It may well be considered a great classic in a few years.
    After awhile you will realize that every camera, lens, and every other
    accessory has its detractors that tear it down all the time. Screw 'em. You
    will find that most of the critics are people who are mortally offended that
    you did not buy their brand of camera or lens. Somehow it is not enough for
    these people to know that their own equipment is good; they also have to
    convince themselves that everything else is terrible.

    Learn to use this lens before you even think about the fish-eye. Fish-eye
    lenses are difficult to use properly and will give you terrible results
    until you have learned more about photography. Besides, it is unlikely that
    anyone here has used both fish-eye lenses that you are considering and
    therefore able to give you a valid comparison. What you will get instead is
    a load of "why are you using that Nikon crap," a bunch of 'reviews' from
    people that have not seen either lens, and similarly unhelpful posts. The
    only way to judge whether a lens is right for you is to try it out in the
    kind of shooting that you regularly do and see how well it works for you.
     
    C J Campbell, Jan 15, 2005
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  4. Avery

    Avery Guest

    Boy howdy you are right on the money about the lens. I don't much about
    Nikon, Nikkor, any of that. Until this week I was all about the point
    and shoot stuff Sony puts out. My wife tells me to "get your own
    camera" so I took that as gospel. ;-)

    I collect fountain pens and have a little site that I'm trying to beef
    up with some photos. To add to the lens that came with the D70 I also
    picked up the Nikkor 105mm micro and must admit I really like it
    without reading any pros or cons.

    I'm waiting on a tripod and a literoom (on order) to really tap into
    macro photography... I'll be coming back here for hints and tips as the
    days pass. This D70 kit is amazing even though I am subject to user
    opinions because I don't know any better. I'll get the hang of this
    stuff yet.

    Thanks for the suggestions on the fisheye, I'm hoping to catch a
    photography class in my area but can't find any... Could you recommend
    some "self teaching" literature? I am really starting at the very
    beginning so don't hold back on Photography for Dummies recommendations
    if you have any.

    Thanks,
    Avery

    PS. If you're interested I started a forum for macro photography with
    an emphasis on pictures of fountain pens... Please feel to drop in from
    time to time and leave tips if you like. Thanks again!
    http://www.ramblingsnail.net/forums/
     
    Avery, Jan 15, 2005
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    Will D. Guest

    Nikon is legendary for quality. It may or may not be the absolute best
    in any given respect, but you'd have to be knowledgeable to tell the
    difference. Having your own camera is your ticket to Photography on
    your own terms (note capitalization: indicates potentially huge money
    pit).
    Ahhh... got your own money pit already? ;) Excellent lens choice, I
    suspect. With the crop factor, it would be the equivalent of a 157.5mm
    on a Nikon film body. As you learn, you'll discover that focal length
    is a handy but risky substitute term for *angle of view*. Might make it
    your business to look into this immediately, it'll save you scratching
    your head over what people say about focal lengths.
    Do not be subject to the opinions of others! Use them only as pointers
    to be checked out! The only thing you can trust is what you yourself
    understand, and this ain't rocket science. ;D Best teacher of
    photography is the camera itself: Use it and learn from the results you
    get by asking questions (read texts for answers first, etc).
    Don't do Photography for Dummies, even if that exists, because it won't
    explain to you what you don't understand. A very useful approach is to
    use your Google search engine to ask questions. There are a *lot* of
    pages dedicated to answering all sorts of questions, and you can compare
    answers given by different pages.

    Once you have a handle on the material (you know approximately what the
    issues are), you can start at whatever level you need (which will
    probably change). And the most important thing you can do is learn the
    terminology itself, including the definitions. That will help you to
    discover what you don't know but need to know, and it will help you to
    check for what you think you understand but don't.

    There are a lot of answers out there, but you need to know what
    the questions are before they make any sense.

    Good luck and welcome to another happy money pit!

    ;))

    Will D.
     
    Will D., Jan 15, 2005
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    C J Campbell Guest

    How about "How to Photograph Your Life" by Nick Kelsh? Kelsh teaches by
    showing examples of "right way" and "wrong way." The guy really can improve
    your photography.

    Beyond that, "Masterclass in Photography" by Michael and Julien Busselle. No
    "Photography for Dummies," this book really is an excellent course in
    photography. Every photographer should keep a copy in his collection. The
    Busselles really are masters -- and they can teach you to be a master, too.

    Of course, if you can find volumes from the classic Time/Life "Encyclopedia
    of Photography" you have a real treasure. I have the whole set, but no, you
    may not borrow it.

    National Geographic Field Guides are also good reading.

    I also strongly recommend Scott Kelby's "Photoshop CS for Digital
    Photographers," even if you are not currently using Photoshop. The book
    actually teaches you how to digitally process your photos, without wasting
    500 mind-numbing pages describing how to re-name a file or open Photoshop by
    clicking on the START menu.

    Reading books and studying the works of great painters can really open your
    eyes in photography. You begin to appreciate the problems of composition,
    lighting, color, and time. Heck, even looking at Rein Nomm's photographs on
    alt.binaries.photography can teach you a heck of a lot.

    Also, if you get a chance, go to classes offered by the Nikon School of
    Photography. They will, sooner or later, offer a class in your area.
     
    C J Campbell, Jan 16, 2005
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    Roger Guest

    I've been into photography for nigh onto 50 years now. Yes, I'm
    retired from my day job now<:))

    I have the D-70 and the "kit" lens and like it very much.
    I posted this link before but here is an example of a hand held shot
    with the ASA bumped up to 400
    http://www.rogerhalstead.com/DayLilly.htm
    That stats are posted with the image.
    I have the 12-24 so I really don't see a need for the 16. Now the
    10.5 OTOH looks interesting even if it is only 1.5 mm shorter than
    what I have now. That 1.5 mm makes a noticeable difference although
    about the only time I use the really wide angle lenses is for
    "specialty" shots, like inside an airplane or inside my shop.

    Yes, I'd like these lenses to be about an f stop faster, but that
    would make them heavier and much more expensive and that 12- 24 ain't
    cheap to begin.

    Which reminds me, I have one photo I shot at 12 mm from the NW corner
    of our EAA Chapter (1093) hanger that shows the entire room with 3
    planes and one very large model under construction. I need to put
    that one up on the chapter page soon, but as it's currently 4:05 AM I
    don't think it's going to be tonight. Artistic it's not, but
    impressive it is. <:))

    Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
    (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
    www.rogerhalstead.com
     
    Roger, Jan 16, 2005
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    Alan Browne- Guest

    And they have some legendary dog lenses too.

    Cameras like the F55/75 are bad jokes.
     
    Alan Browne-, Jan 16, 2005
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    Roger Guest

    Good lord, I didn't think there were any of those still floating
    around. (the big red books with the gold and black trim/lettering) I
    had the full set, but I really don't know what became of them. They
    may be packed away into some boxes down stairs from a move, but I
    haven't seen them in years. That is one big set of books.
    If I ever find them I'll have to get an allergy shot before opening
    the box. As I recall they already were getting kinda pungent.
    A good book on the fundamentals of art might help. The rules of art
    are the same for painting as they are for photography. Theme, form,
    rythm, and repetition. Rule of thirds, converging lines, ... etc.

    Gardners, "Art Through the Ages", although a bit dry in places as well
    as being a large, expensive, college text book is a wealth of
    information. It covers art from the pre historic, to Mesopotamian
    to current day.
    For our exams we viewed slides from this book. We were expected to
    name the artist (where known), the era, the philosophy of the era and
    the psychology behind the art and artist's style.

    It was definitely not a "blow off" course. <:))
    Check for a local photography club And/Or sign up for either
    continuing education classes in photography, or even beginning college
    classes. The college classes will most likely be "art classes" which
    will take the student well beyond the operation of their camera to the
    rules of composition.

    When I took "Introduction to Photography" in B & W we were expected to
    use 35 mm cameras in manual mode and do all of our own processing
    including printing with no cropping allowed. All prints in the
    introductory class had to be full frame.

    At the begriming of class we were all constantly trying to find
    subjects and scenes that fit the rules. By the end of the class we
    were seeing them everywhere. <:))

    Theme, form, rythm, and repetition are much easier to do/learn in B&W,
    at least to begin, as the problem in color is the color. It often
    over rides the basic tenets of composition, or over powers the image
    making it more difficult.

    Adult ed classes can vary widely from just introducing the newcomer to
    their cameras to being heavily art oriented and even into
    competitions. They may be highly diversified, or like some computer
    clubs deal primarily with one type or make of camera. However you
    will never know until you check them out.

    And as CJ mentioned the binary news group, try a search of art and
    binary news groups. Use caution as there is art and then there is art
    which I don't really think needs explaining. But if it does, just
    ask.

    Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
    (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
    www.rogerhalstead.com
     
    Roger, Jan 17, 2005
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    bob Guest

    I've read every single photography book at every library I've lived near.
    Some books are better than others, but you can get things from all of them.
    Some of the info will be dated, but a lot of it is timeless.

    Bob
     
    bob, Jan 18, 2005
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