Nikon 300 4.5 vs. 300 4.5 EDIF

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Hell and High Water, Aug 3, 2005.

  1. I've heard the EDIF is significantly better, but it's also quite a bit
    more expensive.


    300 F4.5 AI (72) Excellent $179.00

    300 F4.5 ED INTERNAL FOCUS AIS (72) Excellent Plus $484.00



    I guess I'm asking 'is it worth it?'


    Thanks for any help/suggestions/opinions.


    -Bob
     
    Hell and High Water, Aug 3, 2005
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  2. Well, as you said: Is it worth it?
    :)

    The "classic" 300 4.5 apparently has a lot of sample varaition, going
    from so-so to pretty good.

    Mine (a pre-AI version, same scheme but different coatings) qualifies as
    a "decent".
    It is definitely beaten by my Carl Zeiss Jena 300 4.0 (East German
    Pentacon Six mount lens, usable with 35mm cameras with adaptors). The
    cost of the Jena 300 + adaptor is simlar to the Nikkor "claasic".
    However it is a bigger and heavier lens, and I don't know if the Nikkor
    adaptor transmits the auto diaphragm.

    Do you need top quality in your 300mm shots?

    If you'd consider 400mm, there is a wider choice of 3rd party lens
    makers with very good products.
     
    Chris Loffredo, Aug 3, 2005
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  3. David Ruether has the following to say on the subject of 300/4.5 Nikkors
    (on http://www.ferrario.com/ruether/slemn.html):
    "300mm f4.5 3.6-4.2 some variation, often not
    " wonderful at wider stops; not good
    " with converters; fairly compact and light
    "300mm f4.5 ED 4.8 fairly compact and light; excellent
    " sharpness at all stops; very good
    " with converters
    "300mm f4.5 EDIF 4-4.4 fairly compact and light; good to
    " very good sharpness; good on tubes
    " but not good with converters

    And Bjørn Rørslett on http://www.naturfotograf.com/lens_tele.html
    "300 mm f/4.5 ED 5 This lens, one of the first to
    " carry "ED" designation, was only
    " available for a short time in the
    " mid 70's before being replaced with
    " the internal focusing (IF) model.
    " A pity, because the non-IF lens
    " is, or rather was, a truly remarkable
    " performer even by today's standards.
    " [...]
    " Focusing isn't as smooth as the IF
    " successor, but entirely doable if
    " you aren't in a hurry.
    "
    " If you lust for this elusive lens,
    " being in a hurry won't help you
    " much anyway, because it is remarkably
    " difficult to locate today on the
    " second-hand market.
    "
    "300 mm f/4.5 ED-IF 4 A light-weight alternative to the
    " other 300 mm designs, this lens
    " renders sharp and contrasty images
    " when stopped down to f/8-f/11.
    " Its performance wide open isn't
    " equally impressive, though.
    "
    "300 mm f/4.5 Nikkor-H 2 This was a beautifully built
    " (early) telephoto released in the 60's,
    " 3 but the image quality would not
    " (late) raise eyebrows today. Acceptable
    " pictures were produced when it was
    " stopped down to f/8 or so.

    I would get the IF-ED unless you can find the ED version. Of course, a
    slightly more used version may be less expensive.
     
    Philip Homburg, Aug 3, 2005
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  4. Hell and High Water

    Gordon Moat Guest

    I have rented both a few times. The only obvious thing using both is that
    the focus throw is slightly longer on the AI version. Results were almost
    indistinguishable, though sample variation could make them less close.
    They are nearly the same weight, and about equal for balance when doing
    hand held shooting.

    I would think that if you really wanted to spend more money on a 300 mm,
    then wait until you can get a good used f2.8 version. The f2.8 AIS is
    much better than any of the f4.5 versions. Another one to consider is the
    f4.0 autofocus lens, which has a reasonable manual focus collar and focus
    feel, though I am not sure about prices on the used market.
     
    Gordon Moat, Aug 3, 2005
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  5. 300 F2.8 ED INTERNAL FOCUS AIS (39 DROP-IN) WITH CAPS 35MM Excellent
    Plus $1,219.00


    .....and *I'm* worried about spending the $179 on the AI!!!


    ;-))


    -Bob
     
    Hell and High Water, Aug 3, 2005
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  6. Hell and High Water

    Gordon Moat Guest

    Well, in that case, the lower (lowest) cost lens will be good enough. I really
    doubt you would see a difference at all in normal hand held imaging. Of
    course, that does not mean some sample variation might play into this, though
    your chances of getting an off higher priced lens are about the same as
    getting a slightly off lower priced lens. Remember that these are used items,
    so check the return policy. Best of luck.
     
    Gordon Moat, Aug 5, 2005
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  7. Thanks so much!

    Ciao!

    -Bob
     
    Hell and High Water, Aug 6, 2005
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  8. Hell and High Water

    Rox-off Guest

    Bob Helland: typical bloody Ferrari cheapskate!

    Never buy a cheap telephoto. You'll just get depressed at the results
    (like Ferrari's performance this year).

    PS: who am I?
     
    Rox-off, Aug 10, 2005
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  9. I KNOW YOU!! YOU'RE ROX-OFF!! THAT...

    (sorry, I'm shouting)

    ....that guy from the F1 newsgroup who LOVES Ferrari!!!!

    ;-)

    actually no idea...

    -Bob
     
    Hell and High Water, Aug 10, 2005
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  10. Hell and High Water

    Rox-off Guest

    Think of a major city in the state that you live in and a person who used
    to post to rasf1 with the same name as that city.

    Oh yeah. Smee.

    Are you still using your Nikon F3?
     
    Rox-off, Aug 10, 2005
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  11. Arlington???


    ;-))


    DALLAS MAN!! HOW YA BEEN??

    Yup! F3 is still firing away steadily...


    I'd like to get a longer lens, and I'm trying to find a 300 that I can
    afford/my wife will allow.....

    etc.

    Stay in touch!!!


    -Bob
     
    Hell and High Water, Aug 10, 2005
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  12. Hell and High Water

    Rox-off Guest

    Okay, I guess. Enjoying the demise of Ferrari a lot!
    Okay, here's the deal. You NEVER tell your spouse that you've bought a
    lens. You just "borrowed" it from a friend. Sooner or later she gets used
    to seeing it (if she pays that much attention) and in the unlikely event
    of her asking why you haven't returned it yet, you just casually mention
    that you swapped something else for it. Works for me!

    I don't know too much about those 300mm lenses, but here is a place that
    any Nikon user should keep bookmarked: www.nikonlinks.com

    An indispensable resource.
    Cool brother. Are you still playing in the orchestra?
     
    Rox-off, Aug 11, 2005
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  13. Nah... No more Trumpet...


    :-((

    Stay in touch!

    -Bob
     
    Hell and High Water, Aug 12, 2005
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