Nikon 70-210 AF f/4 operation on dSLR's

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by k-man, Jan 25, 2008.

  1. k-man

    k-man Guest

    For those familiar with the Nikon 70-210 AF f/4, being that it's an
    older lens, can aperture be controlled through the camera body (for
    things like aperture-priority or shutter-priority)? Or, would I have
    to control it manually, setting it on the lens directly? A D70s is
    what I'm using if you're curious.

    Thanks.
    Kevin
     
    k-man, Jan 25, 2008
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    Tony Polson Guest


    You can set the aperture ring to A, and lock it there, and control the
    lens aperture from the camera.
     
    Tony Polson, Jan 25, 2008
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    frederick Guest


    You set the lens to smallest aperture (ie f22), then set the aperture
    using the camera body - no differently than using "G" lenses (without
    aperture ring).
     
    frederick, Jan 25, 2008
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    Bruce Guest

    Hi Kevin

    I've owned one of these lenses since they first came out and when I bought
    the D70 & D80 I have used it almost every time I go out. Providing you lock
    the aperture to max it can be controlled for shutter & aperture in fact in P
    and Auto will work.

    Bruce
     
    Bruce, Jan 25, 2008
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  5. k-man

    k-man Guest

    The aperture ring on the lens works mechanically, though, right? If
    you set it to f22, then wouldn't the mechanics force the diaphragm to
    open no larger than f22 regardless of your camera body setting?

    Kevin
     
    k-man, Jan 25, 2008
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    Tony Polson Guest


    No, the opposite is true. The aperture stays wide open so you can
    view the scene through the viewfinder with maximum brightness and
    minimum depth of field.

    The idea of setting it on the minimum aperture is so that you can get
    the whole range of apertures from f/22 to f/4. If you set it to f/4,
    you will get f/4 only. No other aperture will work.

    There is a lock which keeps the aperture ring at its minimum aperture.
    For this particular lens, that minimum aperture is f/22. I apologise
    for mentioning an "A" setting in a previous reply. I used to use both
    Nikon and Pentax gear and the A refers to Pentax lenses, not Nikon.

    Your 70-210mm f/4 lens is something of a cult classic. The optical
    design is taken directly from the 70-200mm f/4 Nikon Series E lens of
    the late 1970s / early 1980s. The Series E lenses were made to
    compete with independent lenses at a lower price point than Nikon AI
    and AIS lenses. However, they lacked nothing in terms of their
    optical design, and several of the Series E range have become cult
    classics as a result.

    Nikon's first mass production AF camera was aimed at amateur rather
    than professional photographers and the Series E lens design was used
    for the AF Nikkor 70-210mm f/4. That lens was later replaced by the
    AF Nikkor 70-210mm f/4-5.6, which was more cheaply constructed and
    lacked the constant maximum aperture of the lens that you own. The
    f/4-5.6 version received one rave review and a lot of mediocre
    reviews, but unfortunately the one rave review meant that it acquired
    a good reputation for optical quality that it didn't deserve.

    Subsequently Nikon have made several 70-300mm zoom lenses but none
    could match the optical quality of the 70-210mm f/4.

    So enjoy using your 70-210mm f/4. It is a fine lens, and it should
    work very well on your D70s.
     
    Tony Polson, Jan 25, 2008
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    k-man Guest

    Gotcha. Thanks very much. Though, I don't own the 70-210 f/4 just
    yet. I was just doing some homework before I went for it. Looks good
    to me.

    And yes, I was wondering about your initial "A" setting comment. :)
    Thanks for clearing it up! Oh, also, I think the lens stops down to f/
    32. But I get the concept.

    Thanks again.
    Kevin
     
    k-man, Jan 25, 2008
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    k-man Guest

    Sweet. Thanks very much.

    Kevin
     
    k-man, Jan 25, 2008
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    frederick Guest

    It's quite a good lens, but also quite slow to focus.
    The 70-210 f4-5.6 AF-D is the pick of these lenses. Was very expensive
    thanks mainly to a probably unrealistic rave review by Ken Rockwell, but
    since the new AFs 70-300 VR consumer grade lens has arrived, there is
    less demand, and prices are lower to the point that they might be
    reasonable value. (Optically, all the 70-210 lenses are similar - but
    the AFD version focuses very fast for a non AFs lens - twice as fast as
    a non -D version)
    I had several versions of these lenses. Fully open they performed
    remarkably well at 200mm - sharp, but less contrast than the 200mm f2.8
    zooms.
     
    frederick, Jan 25, 2008
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    Frank Arthur Guest

    I fully agree "fredrick". If it is possible for the owner of the D70
    to afford the new 70-300mm VR Nikkor over the earlier 70-210 he will
    really appreciate it.
     
    Frank Arthur, Jan 25, 2008
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    Tony Polson Guest


    You're welcome!


    It's a very good lens. The only thing I can criticise about it is
    that the focusing ring is narrow and made of hard plastic, as on most
    early AF Nikkors. Almost all were later upgraded to have wider,
    rubberised focusing rings which made manual focusing easier.

    The f/4 model was never upgraded. It was replaced by the inferior
    f/4-5.6 model which had the wider focusing ring.

    If you are going to use AF most of the time, this won't be a problem.
    If you use manual focus a lot, you might want to handle the lens
    before buying to see if it suits your shooting style.
     
    Tony Polson, Jan 25, 2008
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    k-man Guest

    Right now, I'm shooting with a 1976 Kiron-produced Vivitar Series 1
    70-210. I think it was the first model of this series, the one with
    the 67mm filter ring and constant f/3.5 and rubber hood. Talk about
    some sweet optics. And the macro's decent, too. But, it's fully
    manual and a tad large. I don't mind manual focus; but having to
    manually switch the aperture's a pain (hard to see without having to
    flip the camera all the way around and I always forget what I have it
    set for (makes one appreciate the viewfinder's readout)).

    Kevin
     
    k-man, Jan 27, 2008
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    Tony Polson Guest


    That's a very nice lens, one of Robert Monaghan's "cult classic" third
    party lenses.

    Not easy to use on a D70s though.
     
    Tony Polson, Jan 27, 2008
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    tomm42 Guest


    I have a 70-210 f4 not a bad lens, not special either, but a good
    compromise between weight and image quality. The slow focus hasn't
    bothered me. One interesting thing about my lens is that it came witha
    brand X filter on it, IQ was quite poor with the filter, much, much
    better without. When I first tested it with the filter I was ready to
    send it back, never seen that much of an IQ change. Is the 70-300 VR
    better, well in this range VR is nice, but the lens gets slow at its
    longer range.

    Tom
     
    tomm42, Jan 28, 2008
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