Nikon always a day late a dollar short

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by John Llort, Aug 25, 2004.

  1. John Llort

    John Llort Guest

    Again rumours are flying about a new 12mp 1.5 Crop noisy sensor DSLR poor
    Nikonians are just salivating at whatever bone Nikon throws at them, even if
    it is a 5K body using a noisy 1.5 crop sensor from sony. At the olympics
    today I could barely walk the press line without tripping over long white
    cannons. Poor Nikon. Where did they go wrong.
     
    John Llort, Aug 25, 2004
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  2. Hmm... the bait LOOKS tasty... naw, something better will come along.
     
    Brian C. Baird, Aug 25, 2004
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  3. John Llort

    Dallas Guest

    How do you tell the difference between the white Canons and the white
    Nikkors?

    When I ordered my 70-200mm f/2.8 I specifically said "I want it in BLACK!".
     
    Dallas, Aug 25, 2004
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    Colm Guest

    : On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:26:43 -0400, John Llort wrote:
    :
    : > Again rumours are flying about a new 12mp 1.5 Crop noisy sensor DSLR poor
    : > Nikonians are just salivating at whatever bone Nikon throws at them, even
    : > if it is a 5K body using a noisy 1.5 crop sensor from sony. At the
    : > olympics today I could barely walk the press line without tripping over
    : > long white cannons. Poor Nikon. Where did they go wrong.
    :
    : How do you tell the difference between the white Canons and the white
    : Nikkors?
    :
    : When I ordered my 70-200mm f/2.8 I specifically said "I want it in BLACK!".


    Please stop feeding the sllort.
     
    Colm, Aug 25, 2004
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    Jerry L. Guest

    How did Canon let Kodak make a $4,500 camera that <[gasp!]> uses
    Nikkor lenses that equalled the nearly $9,000 Canon 1Ds camera?

    A day late and many dollars short......
    = = =
     
    Jerry L., Aug 25, 2004
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    Colin D Guest

    Are you aware that Canon lenses are white to minimize heat build-up in
    bright sun? Your black Nikkor will get too hot to touch in your blazing
    African summers, Dallas. Better buy a small pot of white paint! {:)

    Colin D.
     
    Colin D, Aug 26, 2004
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    Rich Pos Guest

    Curious if you feel this way about all Sony sensors?
    Reason I ask is the film scanner I have been thinking about has a
    5,300-element tri-linear array CCD made by Sony.

    http://www.microtekusa.com/as4000tf.html

    This scanner isn't talked about much on the internet compared to the
    Minoltas or Nikons but the few articles found are positive.

    RP©
     
    Rich Pos, Aug 26, 2004
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    Gordon Moat Guest

    It is my understanding that this is the same scanner that was sold as a
    Polaroid. While some reviews are objective, I often like to check an
    unbiased site. There is some little bits of information at:

    <http://www.flatbed-scanner-review.org/AgfaMicrotekflatbedscanners/Microtek_Agfa_scanners.html>

    I use to use several of the Polaroid film scanners, though I feel that
    the Canon CanoScan line is now much better. Resolution is not much
    different, but the shadow detail is better with Canon. Also, I have used
    many Nikon film scanners, but always get frustrated by too frequent
    breakdowns, or going out of calibration. I should mention that since I
    do this for a living, the scanning gear sees very heavy use, more so
    than most enthusiasts would ever use these devices.

    Ciao!

    Gordon Moat
    A G Studio
    <http://www.allgstudio.com/gallery.html> Updated!
     
    Gordon Moat, Aug 26, 2004
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    jimkramer Guest

    http://www.lookbefore.wading-in.net/Boston/5321 Pan.htm

    From the Sony F-828, the image is a crop (about 255K), look at the sky
    variations, "Some" but not most of the noise pixelation is from jpg.

    My experience with "cheap" to mid-grade film scanners has been of
    "comparable" noise from film. Scanning film noise is not the same as
    digital camera noise, but it does give you some idea.

    Best advise - "Try it out before you buy it" - or find out what the return
    policy is if you don't like it.

    Good luck, and we expect to see some samples when you get started.

    Jim Kramer
     
    jimkramer, Aug 26, 2004
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    jimkramer Guest

    jimkramer, Aug 26, 2004
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  11. Simple, nobody buys the white Nikkors.
     
    Brian C. Baird, Aug 26, 2004
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    Dallas Guest

    I don't think so, Tim (I mean Colin).

    I don't believe that story about it being to repel heat. How come they
    don't do it for the smaller lenses then? Nah, it was to make them stand
    out at big sporting events.
     
    Dallas, Aug 26, 2004
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    Pål Jensen Guest


    Go wrong? They have doubled their slr market share the last 20 years...
     
    Pål Jensen, Aug 26, 2004
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    Rich Pos Guest

    Not sure how practical that is buying over the internet but something
    I probably should look into.

    Currently I use a HP-s10 film scanner that has done it's job well for
    3 or 4 years. The last few time using it I've noticed severe banding
    in areas of continuous tone. Looks awful when prints are made.

    Have any idea what causes this? I've probably scanned about 2-3000
    frames with it, my guess is it's getting long in the tooth.

    RP©
     
    Rich Pos, Aug 26, 2004
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    jimkramer Guest

    I assume the banding is in the same places every time? i.e. a repetitious
    pattern in the same space?

    Maybe an old fashioned cleaning is in order? Not just the optics, but the
    positioning sensor and drive as well. Sounds worse than it is if you aren't
    afraid to rip the housing off.

    Things at my house "never" get dusty. ;)

    Jim Kramer
     
    jimkramer, Aug 26, 2004
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    Rich Pos Guest

    The banding is across the entire frame.
    Here is a low res example, it's far more obvious on a 20MB tiff.
    http://www.pbase.com/image/32543264
    The scanner has always been kept very clean and covered when not in
    use. I've only noticed the banding recently.

    The scanner is easy to clean as the entire top is hinged giving access
    to everything I'm willing to take a chance cleaning. Suppose I'll open
    it up and brush it down then use a blower bulb as always and see if it
    helps.

    RP©
     
    Rich Pos, Aug 26, 2004
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    jimkramer Guest

    Again, from looking at it, check the positioning sensor.

    This is likely not going to be readily accessible as it is something that is
    not "ever" supposed to need cleaning.

    BTW - Nifty pic, I'd love to see a vertical framing with just the left half.

    I'd offer to take a look at it but, I don't anticipate being anywhere near
    you before November.

    Jim
     
    jimkramer, Aug 26, 2004
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  18. #1: Heat absorption is a physical phenomenon - you can't argue with
    physics on this one.

    #2: Larger lenses, because of their dimension are more prone to optical
    distortion due to the frame expanding/contracting.

    #3: I like penguins.
     
    Brian C. Baird, Aug 26, 2004
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  19. John Llort

    jimkramer Guest

    #3: I like penguins.

    Do you really like penguins or are you trying to throw Dallas a fish?
     
    jimkramer, Aug 26, 2004
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  20. I guess that depends if Dallas is a penguin.
     
    Brian C. Baird, Aug 27, 2004
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