Nikon Announces D40x

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    C J Campbell Guest

    C J Campbell, Mar 6, 2007
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    C J Campbell Guest

    And the weird thing about the image preview is that the only place I have
    found it mentioned is on Nikon USA's web site. It is not on the press release
    or in dpreview. But the web site says:

    "2.5-Inch, 230,000-Dot Color LCD Monitor with 170-Degree Wide-Angle Viewing
    Playback images are easy to see and function menus are easier to use with a
    larger and brighter color LCD monitor. The large 2.5-inch LCD monitor enables
    image preview at up to 19 times magnification and has large type fonts with
    easy-to-view menus."
     
    C J Campbell, Mar 6, 2007
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    DoN. Nichols Guest

    Hmm ... could that be a typo? Perhaps they meant "image
    *review*"? I don't see any mention of mirror lock-up, which I would
    think would be necessary for image preview.

    Enjoy,
    DoN.
     
    DoN. Nichols, Mar 6, 2007
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  4. It's a writer's error. There is no preview. The full specs are up on
    Nikon's UK press site and are entirely predictable - the camera is aimed
    at the Canon 400D/Sony A100 market and duplicates all the features it
    can, or needs to, while including enough unique Nikon features to set it
    apart. The kit lens is not VR but the complementary new 55-200mm 'kit'
    quality zoom is both Silent Wave and VR - admittedly at £100 more than a
    plain version.

    David
     
    David Kilpatrick, Mar 6, 2007
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    RichA Guest

    You'd think on such a high rez sensor they'd have some kind of auto-
    cleaning system.
     
    RichA, Mar 6, 2007
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    Bill Funk Guest

    Why?
    No one has yet demonstrated that they are anything but marketing drek.

    --
    Hillary Clinton went to a civil
    rights ceremony in Selma Sunday
    and spoke to a local black Baptist
    Church congregation. She mentioned
    her husband at the top of her
    speech. Whenever you face a tough
    crowd you have to open with your
    best joke.
     
    Bill Funk, Mar 6, 2007
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    RichA Guest

    There have been some tests done. They do show that the idea works if
    properly implemented.
     
    RichA, Mar 7, 2007
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  8. Well, I have. The problem is there's nothing to demonstrate. The Sony
    A100 picks up two specks of sticky dust in six months of use. How can
    you 'demonstrate' that? Since the cameras using anti-dust mechanisms
    generally don't need cleaning as often, or when they do it's just for a
    speck or two, it is rather hard to demonstrate. I really don't count the
    idiot test on ePhotozine which exposed the sensor for an afternoon to
    midsummer pollen and pollution on a windowsill in a tower block.

    I've just had to do a test of the Dust-Aid dust removal kit - it works -
    but the problem was even my non-anti-dust Konica Minolta models had too
    little dust to do a meaningful test. Having a piezo-shifted IS sensor is
    already doing enough to remove it.

    As for the other cameras I have received for test, brand new, from some
    makers notably N and C, and S (igma not amsung) - I would not be happy
    if I bought one and found factory-fitted dust to the levels they have
    displayed more often than not.

    David
     
    David Kilpatrick, Mar 7, 2007
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  9. Well, for what it's worth, I have had a D200 for 10 months; I change
    lenses at least once a day, and often 3-4 times a day, both indoors
    and outdoors. I have blown the dust out twice, with a blower. So, does
    this prove that a) it does not need a sensor cleaning mechanism, b) I
    am uncritical and do not see the dust (I do use small apertures, in
    fact up to f/64), c) Belgium, Cyprus, the UK, France, Germany and the
    Netherlands are extremely dust free countries, or at least become so
    (perhaps temporarily) the moment I set foot there d) other? And it's
    not me, I have used a 20D for some time and had to blow dust out 2-3
    times in a single month. I have no idea why, and have no long-term
    statistics (I didn't like it for other reasons and got rid of it).

    Of course one can now say "well my findings differ from yours", but I
    am honestly puzzled by all this.
    OK, but what about your observations regarding the need for cleaning
    them (ie after being cleaned once)?
     
    achilleaslazarides, Mar 7, 2007
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  10. We didn't find any dust on the D200 or the D2X, and neither of these
    picked up dust to any extent. Our test D80 came with intrusive dust from
    new and had to be cleaned. Our Canon 400D, with its anti-dust filter,
    had a couple of specks when first used but these disappeared and what
    now happens is that occasionally there'll be a dust spot, for a few
    shots, and then the next time the camera has been turned off/on, it's gone.

    The same applies to the Sony A100. I originally tested the A100 in
    Morocco, and no dust spots were visible during the shoot. I was
    impressed as we did the usual desert/overland stuff. But I tested the
    Nikon D70S in Morocco, almost the same press trip (originality!) and
    thought I would be bound to get loads of dust because we were thrown
    around in off-road vehicles, exposed to dusty wind and road dirt, etc.
    Actually the pix needed no dust spotting.

    I do see dust when the cameras are used in the studio with a white
    background at f16. Dust which just doesn't register in normal scenes
    will make itself known on white background cutout pix.
    Canon 20D/30D/300D - moderate dust magnets, no idea why. 1DS - extreme
    dust magnet. 5D - not too bad. 1DS MkII - much improved over original. I
    have no idea about the 1D MkII, never used it. Sigma - very susceptible
    to dust despite the 'dust cover' IR filter position. Also extremely easy
    to clean due to the way the sensor is mounted.

    Pentax - K100D and K10D both had visible dust on delivery. Repeated
    operation of the manual menu-command dust shift did not remove all the
    K10D dust (camera had already been out to two other photo magazines
    before I got it). It was not serious, so I did not clean - not my
    camera, their loan camera.

    Olympus - tested in Tenerife including Mounte Teide and lots of driving.
    E-1 never showed a single dust speck. I rate the Olympus system with its
    high frequency vibration about the best of the lot. Not keen on the rest
    of the package however, to date.

    Anti-shake sensors - dodgy to clean anyway. They have difficult
    surrounds, and are mounted on flexible carriages. The Dust-Aid pads
    actually push the KM/Sony sensors back out of the focal plane, against
    spring pressure, when used. Didn't like that at all.

    My main reason for concluding that anti-dust shaking systems work is
    that dust does land on our Sony, KM and Canon 400D cameras and will
    appear in images. It will then be absent from the next switch-on. This
    shows that the dust has been dislodged. On the whole, with other cameras
    (notably the D80 in recent experience) if the dust is there, it stays
    until you clean it.

    David
     
    David Kilpatrick, Mar 7, 2007
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    Bill Funk Guest

    I repeat:
    No one has yet demonstrated that they are anything but marketing drek.
    You say this is wrong, but can't demonstrate it.

    --
    Senator Hillary Clinton vowed
    Sunday she will introduce a bill
    in the Senate to ensure that
    every vote is counted and every
    voter given a receipt. This should
    be a lot of fun. The last time
    she introduced a bill her parents
    warned her not to marry him.
     
    Bill Funk, Mar 7, 2007
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    Bill Funk Guest

    How can you say you've demonstrated it, while, in the same sentence,
    say there's nothing to demonstrate?

    And that is my point: the dust problem isn't that big in the first
    place, so demonstrating that the dust-removal systems work is like
    putting a pat of butter in your fridge to keep the elephants out.
    I must work, because there are no elephants in the fridge.
    :)

    --
    Senator Hillary Clinton vowed
    Sunday she will introduce a bill
    in the Senate to ensure that
    every vote is counted and every
    voter given a receipt. This should
    be a lot of fun. The last time
    she introduced a bill her parents
    warned her not to marry him.
     
    Bill Funk, Mar 7, 2007
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    RichA Guest

    Your problem is that you (like others) assume since your particular
    camera use doesn't generate dust issues, that no one's does.
    Go look around pbase a bit, we've seen plenty of examples of sensor
    dust issues. It's unlikely that companies would be able to charge $60
    or more
    a pop for cleaning "kits" if dust presented no problems all all. At a
    minimum, having dust control in-camera extends the time between needed
    cleanings.
    Nikon will introduce a dust solution, just like the rest. Chalk it all
    up to marketing if you like.
     
    RichA, Mar 7, 2007
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  14. Hi, thanks for the comments.
    Indeed, that is also my experience with the 20D (ie much worse than my
    D200). Strange. Not such a big thing, though.
    OK clear! Thanks.
     
    achilleaslazarides, Mar 7, 2007
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  15. You're a fine one to talk about other people's problems.
    Physician heal thyself.

    Tit

    Doc
     
    Dr Hfuhruhurr, Mar 7, 2007
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  16. I think you didn't read my comment correctly. I have had several cameras
    delivered, brand new, for magazine reviews which have had serious dust
    straight from the factory. Had I bought them, I would have been unhappy.
    As a reviewer I just comment on the factory-installed dust in passing.

    You haven't read what I've written here either. In the cameras we use
    which do have dust removal 'shaking' sensors/covers, dust occasionally
    appears during a session, and is absent in the next shoot. This
    indicates the dust removal is working. In cameras which do not have dust
    removal, dust is cumulative. If it's there today, it will be there
    tomorrow, and maybe have some friends.

    Since the camera with dust-shaking systems cost exactly the same as
    those without, to describe it as 'marketing drek' is completely pointless.

    Dust is not a big problem for some people but others find differently,
    as the queues for sensor cleaning at the Photovision roadshows in the UK
    always prove.

    David
     
    David Kilpatrick, Mar 7, 2007
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    RichA Guest

    It just amazes me how misplaced brand loyalty will lead otherwise
    sensible people to defend the undefendable, just because their camera
    brand hasn't seen fit to DO THE RIGHT THING and implement a needed
    resource. Cannonites did the same thing, and now they have been
    chastised because Canon implemented dust control AND a live LCD.

    In five years all DSLR camera bodies will have:
    Built-in IS
    Dust control
    Live View ARTICULATED LCDs.
    and likely, optical, LCD AND EVF systems.
     
    RichA, Mar 7, 2007
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    Mark² Guest

    Link, please.
     
    Mark², Mar 8, 2007
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    Guest Guest

    Yup it's official ... Nikon is staffed by "crack monkeys" to compete
    with the Rebel XTi (400D) what do they do? They take the crippled D40
    and pop a 10.2 megapixel chip in it... WOW! did they not even look at
    the feature set of the XTi? The D80 is closer in features, so perhaps
    they could have reduced the D80 price.
     
    Guest, Mar 8, 2007
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    frederick Guest


    Really? I would have thought that with spot metering, two control
    wheels, and much larger viewfinder with on-demand grid lines, the D80
    was in a different class from the XTi, and a comparison between D40x and
    400d was quite reasonable. YMMV.
     
    frederick, Mar 8, 2007
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