Nikon blast - good news!

Discussion in 'Nikon' started by Alan Browne, Aug 24, 2007.

  1. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    As you all know by now, Nikon have hit one out of the park by putting up
    two new FF sensored bodies. This is great news for everyone as now
    Canon has a most serious competitor in the pro machines.

    Some or many will lament or torment over the comparatively low 12 Mpix
    of these machines in the light of the 1 Ds Mk III from Canon. But all
    those folks with the classic great glass such as the Nikkor 17-35 (eh
    Matt?!) will rejoice to get their WA's back in full action.

    Congratulations to Nikon and Nikon users!

    (Oh, and for you DX lens owners, tough shit).

    Cheers,
    Alan.
     
    Alan Browne, Aug 24, 2007
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  2. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    Oops... 1 FF machine. Sorry.
     
    Alan Browne, Aug 24, 2007
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  3. Alan Browne

    RichA Guest

    Only to find out those old film lenses just do not cut the mustard (as
    Canon found out) with FF SENSORS.
    Get ready to scrap LOTS of old glass if you buy that D3.
     
    RichA, Aug 24, 2007
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  4. NONSENSE! Canon users were forced to use the classic Nikkors of their FF
    bodies. The D3 will not change this.






    Rita
     
    Rita Ä Berkowitz, Aug 24, 2007
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  5. Alan Browne

    frederick Guest

    You forget several things:

    The FF performance of many is known by using Nikkor lenses
    via eos adapters on Canon full-frame or Kodak dslr cameras
    anyway.
    The performance of the Nikkors - even the old ones - on the
    Nikon D3 will be better than on the Canon or Kodak because
    either in camera, or using Capture NX in pp raw, automatic
    correction for lateral CAs is possible.
    (The D300 has the same in-camera automatic lateral CA
    correction)
    The D3 is the sports / pj's cam "only" 12mp. A higher MP
    full frame camera will come.
     
    frederick, Aug 24, 2007
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  6. Alan Browne

    RichA Guest

    But remember the DX2's resolution? In some instances, almost as good
    as Canon's 16 meg FF. What if this new one is even sharper?
     
    RichA, Aug 24, 2007
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  7. Alan Browne

    RichA Guest

    Start grabbing them now then, because the prices are about to jump!
     
    RichA, Aug 24, 2007
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  8. Alan Browne

    frederick Guest

    Why wouldn't you expect the d2x be "almost as good as
    Canon's 16 meg ff" in the right conditions? So long as it's
    not at an aperture where it's diffraction limited, so long
    as the iso is low enough not to lose detail from NR, so long
    as you're shooting in the sweet spot of the lens, then
    12mp/16mp is nothing. In the right conditions, then the D2x
    performed wonderfully. At high iso, the FF canons killed
    it. Nikon's now killed the D2x/s stone dead. They just
    replaced a $4k camera with a $1.8k one.
     
    frederick, Aug 24, 2007
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  9. Alan Browne

    RichA Guest

    Well, all things being equal, 12 meg does not = 16 meg. However,
    looking back on the tests of the D2X, it did match the Canon sometimes
    when it came to resolution. In-part, I think, thanks to a weaker AA
    filter.
    It will be interesting to see if Nikon's new 12 meg is as sharp as the
    D2X was in all circumstances. Camera companies often shift course in
    mid-stream, such as what Panasonic did with it's P&Ss when it came to
    noise versus resolution. Nikon (Olympus as well)are now concentrating
    on controlling chroma noise rather than going after luminance noise as
    much, because luminance noise isn't ugly.
     
    RichA, Aug 24, 2007
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  10. Alan Browne

    frederick Guest

    Sort of true, but I'd defy you to tell the difference in a
    print at any size between 12 and 16mp, unless it's a print
    of a photo of a test chart.
     
    frederick, Aug 24, 2007
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  11. Canon users found that the classic Nikons were no better than Canon glass.
    The folks who can't figure out how to stop down to f/11 throw money at the
    problem and use the Leica R19 and the Zeiss 21/2.8. The rest of us simply
    get great images with the 17-40.

    David J. Littleboy
    Tokyo, Japan
     
    David J. Littleboy, Aug 24, 2007
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  12. Not really. The D3 will recognize DX lenses and effectively crop its sensor
    to suit.

    Nikon thinks of everything.

    Neil
     
    Neil Harrington, Aug 24, 2007
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  13. Alan Browne

    ASAAR Guest

    Did Nikon allow that feature to be disabled, in case one wants to
    get the circular set of pixels beyond the DX crop? By definition,
    some of the discarded pixels would be closer to the center of the
    image circle than others in the corners of the frame. And some
    photographers may enjoy a slightly larger frame despite the
    additional vignetting, and that might even provide a reminder from
    today's technology to pictures produced by cameras a century ago. :)
     
    ASAAR, Aug 24, 2007
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  14. Dunno; the description I read didn't say.

    That's true. . . .

    It's all hypothetical for me anyway -- I ain't buyin' no dang D3. ;-)

    I don't think I'll live long enough to exhaust the capabilities of my D80,
    to tell you the truth.

    Neil
     
    Neil Harrington, Aug 24, 2007
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  15. Alan Browne

    ASAAR Guest

    Nor I. No matter how nice, it's well outside my size and weight
    budget.

    True, and the same may be true for my D50, but I still wouldn't
    complain if a firmware upgrade added some D80, D200 or D300
    features. Not long after buying a P&S in 2004 I planned to upgrade
    to a Nikon DSLR in 2 1/2 to 3 years, and 3 years later that's just
    what happened when I bought the D50. At that time, my new plan
    stayed about the same, to upgrade to a D90 or D300 after another 2
    1/2 to 3 years. Unlike some of the older DSLR chauvinists, I
    wouldn't mind at all having the new dual optical/live view system.
     
    ASAAR, Aug 24, 2007
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  16. Alan Browne

    Matt Clara Guest

    Yeah, that Polson set me up to think the D300 would have a (near) ff
    sensor--dang you Tony! I was all set to spend way too much money on yet
    another camera, wife be damned. I really like my D200, though, so I'll get
    over it soon enough. Finest built camera I've ever owned. (And no DX in
    the stable yet--I'm going to hold out for the D400, with its lovely full
    frame sensor... ;-)
     
    Matt Clara, Aug 24, 2007
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  17. Alan Browne

    Alan Browne Guest

    Making the D3 able to accept "DX" is not exactly rocket science. My
    point was that those who skimped on FF lenses to get DX now have DX
    lenses that will vignette (or auto-crop?) in the camera. These lenses
    will stay in the bag ... or at home ... or on e-bay.

    OTOH: I would bet that most who will shell out for a D3 don't even own
    DX glass...

    Cheers,
    Alan
     
    Alan Browne, Aug 24, 2007
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  18. Alan Browne

    jean Guest

    "RichA" <> a écrit dans le message de
    Start grabbing them now then, because the prices are about to jump!


    You HAVE to be a politician or a broker, say one thing at 18:58 and the
    complete oposite at 19:39...
     
    jean, Aug 24, 2007
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  19. Nonsense. I've already tested my old Nikkors om FX digital, and they
    are just fine. Here is the good ole' Nikkor 14mm fully open (f/2.8).
    Corner sharpness is adequate (and gets better when I stop down, and
    vignetting a non-issue):
    http://foto.no/cgi-bin/bildegalleri/vis_bilde.cgi?id=319177
     
    Gisle Hannemyr, Aug 24, 2007
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  20. That strikes me as odd. What do they have as an alternative to the 12-24?

    (I assume that it will be mostly D2H/D2X users that upgrade to the D3).
     
    Philip Homburg, Aug 25, 2007
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